several questions!

[Dementia_Seven]

Hi there everyone. i play il 2 bob (ps3) since it came out and i have never played some realistic ww2 flight-simulators bevore. First i have to thank the player gordanembru for introducing me into the simulator mode. Thank u!!!

During my playing i unlooked all planes and flew them all till i get to the point that there must be something wrong with the ally-planes. i spend hours of reading through technical reports from professionell sites of the playable planes and was wondering about it totally. so an spitfire was developed bevore a foker 190 but in the game foker got no chance against the spit. why should a older plane be better? for real an equivalent plane to the foker is a yak but the difference in the game is a spit is better than both!!! that would not be bad but the spit reach nearly the same motor power in the game so u got no chance to fly away. the only way to win against an ally-plane when ur flying a german one is to hope there is a noob on the stick but if there is a pro your chances raise to a minimum. it is no advantage to gave the german planes a better weaponary cause that means to much weight for the aircrafts and make them turn just bad.

remember the la5 got a less better cornering than the spit!
1. Why are the ally planes so overrated???
it is unfair! i wont like to use the me-rocket all the time to breake away.

next question...

Why the developers decided to make every mission to a sloughtery of german bfs and fokers??? i´m german and for me it was not understandable how unreal the singel player mode is. there is a mission in which the german 109 planes get shot by a horde of I-16 type 24. that is a bad joke and must be far away from reality! of one german plane came mostly two or three opponents. in every mission u got hundrets of ally planes on the map but there where just a couple of germans who could defend itselfs. Mostly the AI is so stupid it is not funny anymore. so i guessed that the developers are real racists.

and third...

the pc players got a add-on for thier wings of prey called luftwaffe or something. it costs 15bugs or something. the pc-version WOP is about 30bugs. Now remember i payed 50 euro for the console BOB!!! i would love to fly luftwaffe in the singlemissions on my ps3. even the nintendo ds players of that game had one choice.

Why there wont be a add-on for the consoleros who had payed more for only a incomplete game???

to the last one...

the only bomber i have to unlook is the b17. i read about that u should win 30 online strike games on any bomber to get it. now my question is. i unlooked fw190f-8 which carrys bombs. would that plane be declared as a bomber if i equip the bombs??? or did i have to use planes which where only for bombing good like ag20 or arado???

thank u for reading and please do not take my english orthography so serious.

[dkwookie]

1. I think you will find not all allied planes have biased performance. The P51 is a flying shed and the 109 G6 will make mincemeal of most Spit pilots.

2. There is a long ago thread where Anton, the team lead on the game, explained why there are no German missions and everything is played from the allied side. The devs are all Russian and they didnt feel it was appropriate to include German missions. This was stated to be on moral grounds. Of course Wings Of Luftwaffe ad on for PC slightly throws that argument but thats what they said at the time

3. I think due to costs involved in putting DLC on xbox and ps3 it wasnt deemed profitable to put WOL on console

[bobbysocks]

welcome to the forum Dementia-Seven,

everything DK said is true. several of the aircraft do not perform nearly as well in the game as they did in real life. the P 51 and the Fw190 arent going to be your picks if you want lots of kills. and the soviet aircraft seem to have the edge over all the allies aircraft. as for the 109...if you play online you will see how deadly it is in the hands of a decent player.

in single player all the missions are aimed at defeating the foe who happens to be german. sad fact but it is true. so in that light to win you must defeat 109s, 190s, 262s, etc. online is much different....the "german" team can win.

i invite you to join some of the online games here and get to know the players. you can find what ever game metts your taste...arcade, realistic, and sim games online just about any time. i believe you will find it more challenging and fun...

[Dementia_Seven]

it seems to me and it is not only my opinion that the developers made the overrating of the ally planes because of the game would byed more in the english speching countrys or russia but that cant be it!

and to bobbysocks: yes... a la5 or 7 is a killier even in the hand of noobs and it is not compareable with the other planes. and if i wont take that plane i would lose the battle mostly in two on two.

even i do not understand why the mustangs are so bad. the are not controlable when u turn slowly into a loop. but it is one of the nicest looking planes in this game. how could the developers allow themselves such a rape?

ok with a g6 u could throw 30mm bullets but the plane is so heavy through that. you could take a g3 or 109 f series plane and they both got better steering than a g6. and i made a landing with the g6 and shootet out while i was standing at 0. the weaponary is so heavy that the plane will go backwards on the ground! during flying you could feel and see the amount of speed losing through firing that 30mm cannons. and losing speed means the benefit of guns is nothing. a fast plane with only 20mm cannons can do the same demage.

please reply my last question!!!

i unlooked fw190f-8 which carrys bombs. would that plane be declared as a bomber if i equip the bombs??? or did i have to use planes which where only for bombing good like ag20 or arado???

thanks for reading

[dkwookie]

You can't use the FW 190 as a bomber. Any fighter equipped with bombs is still a fighter in the game, both single and mult player. When you go into a multiplayer game check the map, bombers appear as triangles and fighters as dots.

Bobby put it right, chill out and join the online community. We have well matched axis v allies battles most Saturdays and we don't discriminate if you are german, Italian whatever. You will often see 109 v spit matches with some great g6 pilots. The single player game lasted me 3 days, the online has lasted me nearly a year and counting

[Rambo Rich 360]

Originally Posted by Dementia_Seven

it seems to me and it is not only my opinion that the developers made the overrating of the ally planes because of the game would byed more in the english speching countrys or russia but that cant be it!

and to bobbysocks: yes... a la5 or 7 is a killier even in the hand of noobs and it is not compareable with the other planes. and if i wont take that plane i would lose the battle mostly in two on two.

The La-7 / La-5 are killers due to their canons, they are not the easiest to get kills with unless you are a good shot. Plus, they can be torn up pretty easily by most all other planes. A 109 can make very short work of taking down one.

My only thought as to why the 51 mustangs and 47's are not the greatest and some other planes are better than they should be is probably to keep everything pretty much even (or as much so as possible) so you don't have one particular plane that's the best in all cases. That wouldn't be too much fun online if there was one plane that kicked everybody's butt (everybody would be flying that plane).

[olife]

Originally Posted by Dementia_Seven

Hi there everyone. i play il 2 bob (ps3) since it came out and i have never played some realistic ww2 flight-simulators bevore. First i have to thank the player gordanembru for introducing me into the simulator mode. Thank u!!!

During my playing i unlooked all planes and flew them all till i get to the point that there must be something wrong with the ally-planes. i spend hours of reading through technical reports from professionell sites of the playable planes and was wondering about it totally. so an spitfire was developed bevore a foker 190 but in the game foker got no chance against the spit. why should a older plane be better? for real an equivalent plane to the foker is a yak but the difference in the game is a spit is better than both!!! that would not be bad but the spit reach nearly the same motor power in the game so u got no chance to fly away. the only way to win against an ally-plane when ur flying a german one is to hope there is a noob on the stick but if there is a pro your chances raise to a minimum. it is no advantage to gave the german planes a better weaponary cause that means to much weight for the aircrafts and make them turn just bad.

remember the la5 got a less better cornering than the spit!
1. Why are the ally planes so overrated???
it is unfair! i wont like to use the me-rocket all the time to breake away.

next question...

Why the developers decided to make every mission to a sloughtery of german bfs and fokers??? i´m german and for me it was not understandable how unreal the singel player mode is. there is a mission in which the german 109 planes get shot by a horde of I-16 type 24. that is a bad joke and must be far away from reality! of one german plane came mostly two or three opponents. in every mission u got hundrets of ally planes on the map but there where just a couple of germans who could defend itselfs. Mostly the AI is so stupid it is not funny anymore. so i guessed that the developers are real racists.

and third...

the pc players got a add-on for thier wings of prey called luftwaffe or something. it costs 15bugs or something. the pc-version WOP is about 30bugs. Now remember i payed 50 euro for the console BOB!!! i would love to fly luftwaffe in the singlemissions on my ps3. even the nintendo ds players of that game had one choice.

Why there wont be a add-on for the consoleros who had payed more for only a incomplete game???

to the last one...

the only bomber i have to unlook is the b17. i read about that u should win 30 online strike games on any bomber to get it. now my question is. i unlooked fw190f-8 which carrys bombs. would that plane be declared as a bomber if i equip the bombs??? or did i have to use planes which where only for bombing good like ag20 or arado???

thank u for reading and please do not take my english orthography so serious.

hello,

i think the technicals performances of the planes of the game are similar to the real planes but it is exact,in my opinion,to say that the fw 190 series (and p51's)are really devalued.if the spit mk 9 in the real ww2 can fight and win versus a fw190 (and not easy for sure)the spit mk 2 had totaly no chance to win,but in the game u can !easy!!!mmmm...the fw190 was the nightmare of the allied pilots during ww2,it was totally better than the spit 5...the fw190's nickname was "butcher bird",the spit 9 can fight against the 190 with a chance to win ,i must say it was 50/50 in my opinion.
the russians planes are not outclassed in my opinion,during ww2,the germans pilots said the russians fighters were very manoeuvrable.
i don't think the devs are racists and we must say to them A GREAT THANKS to give us the only one good sim planes game of the ps3,it is just a game with a big qualities and we can pardon a few mistakes.

[Drvn1]

I too am dissapointed in the P-51, everyone is.. However another variable that really matters in the altitude at which we fly.. The russian planes would dominate at these heights in real life.. The Germans had orders not to engage in a dogfight with the Yak 3.. The P-51 was great up high and etc... I would like for the P 47 to not have to be bought

[winny]

Initially when you play this online you can't really compete in Realistic or Sim unless ur in a Hurricane or a Spit or an LA-7. You can be competitive in most of the 109's and the 190's as long as you dont get into a turning battle with people because that could get messy.

The marks of Spitfire don't help because Mark V spitfires should be there and not the XVI.. It's basically the same as the IX so you've got 2 versions of the 'best' spitfire. 190's dominated Mk V spits and IX's dominated the fw's.. (generally). The F-4 is a lovley dogfighter but it's lack of armour means you only need a short burst and it's instantly unflyable..

I hate to agree with gorden, but the dive speeds do seem wrong and as diving was the main way 109's and 190's evaded being shot down, you can't really do it online as you never have really have the altitude to get far enough away for it to be usefull.

For a console game I'd say it was pretty accurate, It's got flaws but all the really good pilots on here do well in whatever they fly.

[kjwright]

Originally Posted by winny

Initially when you play this online you can't really compete in Realistic or Sim unless ur in a Hurricane or a Spit or an LA-7. You can be competitive in most of the 109's and the 190's as long as you dont get into a turning battle with people because that could get messy.

I beg to differ good sir. Ive seen and have been competitive In both the P51 and P47. It all comes down to settings on your controller. Also I prefer the BF109F-4 for the same reasons real life pilots like Gunther Rall did. And that is the extra Weapons and armor make the g-models sluggish. But I have to give Demetia this and that the 190 should be able to turn a hell of alot better then it does.