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Old 12-01-2009, 09:01 PM
Jazzer32 Jazzer32 is offline
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I have "slight" problem with that giant gremlin and giant lizard (I cannot beat them). Im playing like mage on hard level. Any good tactic to recommend?
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Old 12-01-2009, 09:15 PM
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u got the weapon that deals + dmg to the lizzard?

i beat the gremlin with my warr so easily..like 4 rounds lol
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Old 12-01-2009, 09:40 PM
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Here's how I did it without losses on impossible as a mage like you.

Against K'Tahu:
- he is pure physical damage dealer. So stock up on units with high physical resistance. I did it with this lineup: Paladins, Knights, Horsemen, Guardsmen, Demonologists (for extra units).
- Put 2 units in front of him - Knights on his weak spot (in front of the unprotected hand) and Paladins if front of his armored hand. Paladins have a tad better defense than knights, and this is the reason for that.
- Put Stone skin on the Paladins and the Guardsmen. Then add stone skin to the Demonologists and Horsemen. Make sure that any unit that is not in front of his weak spot has stone skin on it to prevent huge losses.
- Now hack away! When he summons allies, beat them up with demonologists, horsemen and guardsmen. If you find it hard, have the unit that is in front of his armored hand to help.

THat should do it, generally

For Zilgadis:
Zilgadis inflicts physical damage when striking and magic with his mass attack. Make sure you have items to boost both. If not, it isn't so bad anyway.

I did it with the same lineup against K'Tahu.
1st round, mass haste and stone skin on the horsemen. The task is to get the horsemen to hit Zilgadis and suffer a counterattack, so that there is a unit in front of the boss. Otherwise there is a high chance he will do a mass attack 2 turns in a row.
2nd round, get the Knight on his left side (or right side) and the paladins on the opposite side. Cast 2x stone skin to both of them. Now hack away with both those units while the rest take care of any towers zilgadis summons.

Also, on both fights, save mana for resurrections after the boss is down and there is a stack of gorguanas vs K"tahu or any gremlin tower or a ranged stack vs. Zilgadis.
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Old 12-02-2009, 05:10 PM
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Thank U, this strategy works (at least with gremlin) with little modification (using red and black dragons instead of demonologist and guardsmen (they are too vulnerable)). Still having trouble with lizard - he is constantly moving, and shocking my toops after that, and when my knights and palladins reach him, after 1 or 2 rounds of exchanging blows he moves again.

BTW I cannot belieive that u beat them both on impossible level WITHOUT LOSS (not that i do not beleive u, i just cannot imagine that).

tnx for tips
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Old 12-02-2009, 06:06 PM
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Dragons are nice, but the towers are resistant to fire damage. This is why I didn't recommend them. On normal, it won't be much of a problem, but on imposiible, it is, because the towers have 12-15k points.

As for believing, every screen you need is in these threads:
http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=11194
http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showpos...1&postcount=67

as well as a save game to show everything is clean It is all about knowing the game mechanics, the boss behaviour and knowing how to use it to your advantage.
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Old 12-03-2009, 02:46 PM
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I finally found out what I was doing wrong - I forgot to use wanderers magic scrolls (doh). Im so dumb, with scrolls - its sooo easy to beat lizard (not without loss like someone , but pretty easy)
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Old 12-06-2009, 04:53 PM
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Dragons are nice, but the towers are resistant to fire damage. This is why I didn't recommend them. On normal, it won't be much of a problem, but on imposiible, it is, because the towers have 12-15k points.

As for believing, every screen you need is in these threads:
http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=11194
http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showpos...1&postcount=67

as well as a save game to show everything is clean It is all about knowing the game mechanics, the boss behaviour and knowing how to use it to your advantage.

I cant kill both of em on normal mode, i see it just impossible.

I have paladins, knights, horsemen, hyeterants and guardsmen. The maximum damage i can deal both lizard and zigaldis is about half. Of course im a mage, but wtf while they have about 80000 hp and i cant barely reach 500 guardsmen (and they are all dead after 4 turns, for example and 8 paladins on every turn so..) with the poor leadership the games gives u. I cant believe u killed em without loses on impossible even with screens (well at level 57 must be more easier). Even with physical def improved on tanks, resurrect and so on, u lose about 50 units on every round, so i really cant see a way to kill em. Not only that, they summon high level creatures and towers that dont let me to preserve the tanks or the other units, using lighitng bolts all the time. I never imagined this game was so unbalanced omg..

and by the way i wasted all the wanderer scrolls trying to kill em... frustrating. maybe i dont have enough leadership (i have only 25000) but i just cleared all the island and i dont have enemies left -.-, im only level 53 but i cant raise it more. So, with a maximum of 112 paladins, and 500 guardsmen, and 138 knights, for example i see impossible to kill lizard and zigaldis.

As i noticed on KB The Legend too, this games can only be finished doing the things ONLY on 1 way, the game turns from easy to impossible simply doing the things a bit different making the game totally unplayble. I am a bit dissapointed and maybe this is the last king's bounty game i play. HOMM series were much much better game tittles.

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Old 12-06-2009, 05:04 PM
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LOL, for what he would modify screens lol?? Many ppl kill them no losses on impossible and its just true .... Don balme anyway and excuse for cheating just bacause you can play this game ...

Zilgadis?? you cant kill him OMG. This means you are screwing it ...
hes not stronger than any usual stacks ... with mage ??
I had 23K LD mage and i killed him with not a single problem .. with Spellls ....... ktahu is different story ... but paladins are enough ... just use stoneskin !!! and phantom padins if needed to ress..

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Old 12-06-2009, 05:16 PM
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LOL, for what he would modify screens lol?? Many ppl kill them no losses on impossible and its just true ....

Zilgadis?? you cant kill him OMG. This means you are screwing it ...
hes not stronger than any usual stacks ... with mage ??
I had 23K LD mage and i killed him with not a single problem .. with Spellls ....... ktahu is different story ... but paladins are enough ... just use stoneskin !!! and phantom padins if needed to ress..
23000 leadership and u killed him lo.. without a single problem... tell me how and i will beleive u. I just get tired of using stone skin, target, phantom, useless. Nothing seem to be effective. Yea, instead of losing 5 paladins, i lose 4. Good .. lol. And of course i have all the spells maximized and on their higher levels. And without loses?? come on 80000 hp and u kill him without no loses. Nah..the only way to do that is killing em on 2 rounds before em start to spawn. I cant kill lizard with 18 trex, 300 gorguls and 200 hyeterants spawned (for example, sometimes they spawn more troops than that..). Zigaldis, i can only damage him about 4000 hp for round. He has 70000 (as i remember). So, every round he attacks or he spawn , i lose about 8-10 % of my troops. And i need for about 10 turns for killim him lol. So, true is that i only have 40 intellect, but even if have 50 or something, i dont see a way. Well, congratulations everyone that fake killed em, today was my last day playing AP xD. I will change to a better game.

Any video of showing that they can be killed?

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Old 12-06-2009, 05:30 PM
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I do not have any software for capturing movies and aint gonna get one.

Zilgadis is just easy ... offensive speels will take him down with no problem and i got easy no loss..

Ktahu i had loses but wining was not hard ... i am not gona believe that u lose 4 instead of 5 .. since ktahu was hiting me for like 15 without stoneskin
And it cant be done n many ways not just one .. there are many setups i did it with paladin knight horseman royal grphing and demonologists ... ktahu has a weak spot on his unarmored arm and he cant atack unit being there so use that spot for atacking him .. i used horseman since he is fast but could be paladin and teleport him when ktahu moves. I was stonesking gryphons and demonologists since they have low phiscal defense .. paladin and knght dont need it at all. I atakced the ktahu with angelic guards demonolgists summons and horseman rest was killing hes summons thats all ....
there are many other ways ... the most overpowered ktahu/baal strategy for no loss is using black knights .. they rise their damge and its going insane ... with warior i could hit ktahu for 60K at the end and evlin spell for resing them .. but with mage ... numbers wil be way lower of course so it wil take a little more time but its stil doable, just be sure to have items like black helmet or staff of acolyte necormancer to rise their numbers greatly

those are 2 of many many other setups working here ..

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