P51D v 109K in BoP

FOZ_1983 · #1 10-25-2009, 02:54 AM

From a discussion on the "beginners guide to planes" i took these two bird up in training mode to see how they compared (curiosity really) and ehres what i came up with, bear in mind these probably wont be accurate to the exact MPH but its going to be very close -

TOP SPEED

P51D -
Below 1000ft - 298MPH
roughly 5000ft - 315MPH
roughly 10000ft - 331MPH
roughly 20000ft - 304MPH

109K -
Below 1000ft - 331MPH
roughly 5000ft - 339MPH
roughly 10000ft - 356MPH
roughly 20000ft - 392MPH

Rate of roll P51 is superior

Ammo cap P51 -29-30 sec 109k - 9-15 sec worth

Rate of climb 109 is superior

Cockpit vis 109 is better (prior to patch release, then P51 will be)

Weapons 6 MG's 2 MG's 3 Cannons

Please note this isnt 100% accurate but roughly what i came up with from trials i did on training. I maxed out the throttle with both and left it for a good 30 seconds to see if speed would increase. So speed could be/prob will be slightly different than stated (but marginally).

Ammo cap is the amount of time you'll get if limited ammo is enabled, so keep note of it

for the 109 you get 9-10 seconds worth of cannon fire and 15 seconds worth of MG fire. (roughly)

Remember this is also prior to the patch. Its highly likely that the 109 will stay as it is? but we all know the P51 will be "fixed". I look forward to "trials" once its sorted.

Im not a huge fan of the 51 or the 109 so im not sure if the above speeds are correct (roughly) for the models. Can anyone help?

I would imagine the P51 would be faster but from the test can see it has more speed at a higher altitude which i assumed it would as it was a high altitude escort

Overall it would appear the 109K is far superior. A few (not in depth) would also suggest its better than the spitfire XVI, though im yet to do a "proper in depth" test yet.

Ancient Seraph · #2 10-25-2009, 07:44 AM

I'm also wondering how the P51 will be after the update..
I've checked with Widar's test results and the speeds seem about right.

FOZ_1983 · #3 10-25-2009, 11:07 AM

I dont know why i bothered putting the P51 through its paces prior to patch, but this patch seems so far away and with no news on it and screen shots etc appearing for something on the pc im starting to get a little worried!!

Anyway -

the P51's speed i found to be rather poor, it should be much faster i find, and getting to the above speeds..... took forever!!

Noted by most is the ability of the P51 to stall or spin at the slightest pull of the stick (its a nightmare).

Well i found above 10000ft with over 300MPH on the clock you can pull a turn and you wont spin or stall, though you will lose speed very quickly and wont be able to conastantly stay in the turn, also noted is how wide the turn is!! its ridiculous.

All in all, the 51 is a mess, but we all know this anyway so theirs nothing new here really. What did suprise me was how ncie the 109K was to fly. Im a hurricane/spitfire pilot so dont really fly the luftwaffe kites much. But the 109K i found to be quite a joy to fly. Though noted a tabove 20000ft it did "shake" a little and seem to have some vibrations, so suggest keepnig it below that height.

Would be good to get another pilot online for a mock dogfight (not actually shooting each other) when the patch is released, or prior to the patch if we know what planes are not getting updated so we can learn a few things about them, top speed, ability to turn etc etc, the usual stuff. Or i can do it on my lonesome i dont mind

its quite enjoyable and relaxing flying over the english countryside in peaceful times

FOZ_1983 · #4 10-25-2009, 12:27 PM

Im not a huge P51 fan but from research ive done i believe the P51D has a max speed at 25000ft of 437MPH, and a crusing speed of 362MPH,

Well at 25000ft i can get it fluctuating between 340-345MPH, missing out on nearly 100MPH!!

Stall speed is roughly 100MPH, in this game i have it as roughly 130MPH, so thats not to bad.

lets see how the patch changes thnigs from whats mentioned here.

(nice to note that it can also pull an inverted loop below 350MPH)

Robotic Pope · #5 10-25-2009, 06:26 PM

I will help out with the testing foz, and i'm sure tudorp15 will too. We can get some formation flying in aswell

fuzzychickens · #6 10-25-2009, 06:36 PM

They screwed the p51 and fw190 over so badly in this game it's not funny.

Also, the fact that they are pimping screenshots for the pc version of this game gives me the impression that support for the console version is going to tank - we'll be lucky to get one patch to fix the major problems we have now.

I'll definitely hold off on their pc version to see if and how much of the console problems they fixed and if they made the multiplayer worth a damn.

I'm guessing I'll have to wait for SOW from Oleg and crew to get a true next gen flight sim - even if it doesn't have the "hollywood" fancy graphics of BOP - at least it will be an accurate sim and well supported by the community and developer.

LostInSpace · #7 10-25-2009, 07:13 PM

Interesting post FOZ. Glad you tested the P-51's top speed at altitude to see if it matched the known speed. Nearly 100 MPH off? That's inexcusable.
It seems as if the P-51 has gotten the short end of the stick for some reason. One could argue that it appears to be intentional.

In case any developers are reading this can you respond? We know the patch has been submitted to Microsoft and it's not your responsibility but please keep us updated on any other updates. I've noticed you've been quiet for quite some time and I don't see any communication from you here or on the other forum (yuplay). Thanks!

Robotic Pope · #8 10-25-2009, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by LostInSpace

Interesting post FOZ. Glad you tested the P-51's top speed at altitude to see if it matched the known speed. Nearly 100 MPH off? That's inexcusable.
It seems as if the P-51 has gotten the short end of the stick for some reason. One could argue that it appears to be intentional.

In case any developers are reading this can you respond? We know the patch has been submitted to Microsoft........

We don't even know that for sure. They never said for certain that the title update had been sent to Microsoft/Sony, only that it was about to be sent. We haven't had a post from a dev since then, that was hmm about 3 weeks ago?

LostInSpace · #9 10-25-2009, 07:47 PM

OK I must be going crazy or I read the post quickly. I could have sworn that a developer wrote that the patch was sent to Microsoft for certification. Well this makes things a whole lot worse.

Robotic Pope · #10 10-25-2009, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by LostInSpace

OK I must be going crazy or I read the post quickly. I could have sworn that a developer wrote that the patch was sent to Microsoft for certification. Well this makes things a whole lot worse.

I wouldn't worry about it. I'm sure it has been sent, it's just the devs never said "The update has now been sent off today" A month ago they said it was in final QA (whatever that means) and would be sent in the next couple of days. Heard nothing new since then, They could have held it back a week or more to add something else, we don't know.