Why is the Ta-152H-1 so slow?

[LawnmowerDAN]

I was expecting it to be mega fast! needless to say I was very disappointed.

I'd read that it was one of the fastest propeller driven planes of the war and even had two boosters which meant it could reach speeds of upto 470mph at high altitude and 350mph at low altitude. I'd also read that the only allied plane that could match it was a late war P-47.

Even with WEP engaged in realistic mode it doesn't reach anywhere close to these speeds except in a dive of course.

Anyway I'm generally disappointed with the FW 190 series of planes in the game.

On a positive note I think the game is excellent. The update can't come fast enough though!

[MorgothNL]

They FW190 series is clearly not what they are supposed to be (including the TA).
They should be faster, and more importantly, have more acceleration.
I hope they made the same mistake with the 190 series as they did with the P-51 (it has full fuel tanks). And that the 190's will be fixed at the same time the P-51 is fixed. But devs have made no comment about the 190's . (as far as I know).

many people complain about the 190's, P-47 and armament of the 109's, but the devs have yet to acknowledge or deny anything about this.

[Widar]

Originally Posted by LawnmowerDAN

Why is the Ta-152H-1 so slow? I was expecting it to be mega fast!

The Ta 152 H-1 in real life was arguably the fastest piston engine fighter of WWII.

In real life the Ta 152 H-1 achieved: 748 km/h at 9000 m.
In BOP the Ta 152 H-1 does: 646 km/h at 9000 m.

The answer to your question is: because the developers made it that way in BOP.

Other examples:

P51D-5 real life: 703 km/h at 7600 m.
P51D-5 BOP: 576 km/h at 7600 m.

Fw 190 A/F-8 real life: 656 km/h at 6300 m.
Fw 190 A/F-8 BOP: 584 km/h at 6300 m.

[Widar]

Originally Posted by MorgothNL

many people complain about the 190's, P-47 and armament of the 109's, but the devs have yet to acknowledge or deny anything about this.

[Desode]

A tactical fighter variant of the P-47N Thunderbolt reached 813 km/h (505 mph) at 30,000' I have a old copy of the Guinness book of world records that my grandfather gave me and thats what it says.

The best recorded speed I have been able to find from the TA-152H's was 472 at 41000', while at sea level.

I could be wrong. Still though BOP is deffinatly off on some of the planes. The Pc ver (Il2 1946) is more accurate. I don't understand why they would have changed the flight models, when they were already done in 1946. Oh well who knows, I love this game though.
Desode

[MorgothNL]

Originally Posted by Desode

I don't understand why they would have changed the flight models, when they were already done in 1946. Oh well who knows, I love this game though.

I dont understand this:
quote from dev:
All flight models were taken from PC IL-2.


Obviously the models are not the same as the ones in 1946 :S. Well, they probably are the same, I believe the dev, but then they did something else wrong.... I still think they messed up the weigth of many planes. And really hope, that whatever it is that messes up the models, will be fixed!

Not all models are 'messed up', but they ARE all different from the 1946 version.. even though they should be the same. So that tells me there must be something 'wrong'

[Desode]

Originally Posted by MorgothNL

I dont understand this:
quote from dev:
All flight models were taken from PC IL-2.


Obviously the models are not the same as the ones in 1946 :S. Well, they probably are the same, I believe the dev, but then they did something else wrong.... I still think they messed up the weigth of many planes. And really hope, that whatever it is that messes up the models, will be fixed!

Not all models are 'messed up', but they ARE all different from the 1946 version.. even though they should be the same. So that tells me there must be something 'wrong'

Yeah I know, I asked about the flight models along time ago and I remember them saying that also. I agree with you though something is off on a few planes.
I'm sure they will get it fixed. They are doing a good job and I know Anton and his crew are on it. It has been a real blessing to have him come here and fill us in on things since, way back when there was hardly anyone on this forum except a few of us die hards, so I trust him also.

I can't wait for the red outs and black outs to come back on in full strength !
That will be huge. I'm sure they are working on all kinds of other fixes too and some we probably don't even know about.


Desode

[MorgothNL]

I do start to need some kind of release date .
Some game nights can be really frustrating. When everyone you shoot crashed. Or when you have a game with everyone just keep pulling 20g turns a the whole time without problem (long live blackouts).

But also, because many planes are still not at full potential (P-51, FW190, Ta, and the bf109 in some way <--- you can scratch 10 or more planes of the 'competitive in online play list') You see the same planes in every game. It creates a lack of variation and tactics. <-- la lack of tactics because it its the Boom and Zoom planes that suffer. Thus giving almost only turning fights

Come on update!

[Petey the 3rd]

Why is the Ta-152H-1 so slow?

Because BoP was not designed for BnZ planes. The focus of the gameplay is clearly on quick turning fights and I don't think the devs wanted, or knew how to model the complexity of BnZ tactics with proper E retention. The P-51, P-47, FW series and all other E fighters will always remain porked in favor of turning fighters.