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Only encountered Calliopes one time and I must say it was pretty craptastic.....Ther was 2 and they fired like 10 volleys at mine and my dad's tanks and didnt even detrack them my infantry I think even didnt all get totally anniihliated. It killed my tank AA gunner or so but it didnt have catastrophic results like I thought it would. So unless the Calliope got better in 1.17.5 then they are fine the way they are..they fire alot of rockets, make alot of noise but dont amount to shiiiii...wait we cant use swear words can we? lolz. As for Heavy tanks, yeah they do need to do something to bring the mediums and lights back into it. It is amazingly boring when the only thing fielded are King Tigers, Pershings, IS3s.....its like MOW is taking place in the 1950s when those big tanks woulda been more used. The Era thing is a good idea, there is a mod that sorta incorporates that into it....its pretty cool. But srsly....it would make the game alot more fun if the Pzr III, M4 Sherman, Pzr IV were actually useful. Also, wtf is up w/ the front bumper of the Pzr6B grey King Tiger and Tiger I? It would be really nice to see the front bumper problem fixed on those tanks.....guarenteed penetration on the front ofthose tanks? Whats bad about he SU100? ive seen it tons and it seems to be pretty dang dangerous as is.
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Maybe to make it a bit more simple one could jost go with Late, mid and early as designation for the units. Where in early engagements you would see more the T34 with 76mm and in mid war the 85mm and also more tanks like the KV85, IS1 and the IS2 beeing extremly expensive for example. This is something I can only agree with. The SU100 is such a weak gun that its not funny anymore. Logicaly, it should have NO issues to take out a Panther or Tiger 1 from its front as it was a gun designed with such tanks in mind. Yet you see here many times richochets and hits without any effect or you have to get so close to them that you can hug them to do damage. On the other side the Su100 is quite expensive and lacks any considerable protection on its front so either the Tiger 1 or Panther have not much issues taking it out even on large distance. At least I never fear the Su100 which is different to the Jagdpanther which gives me a headache sometimes if deployed well. The ISU152 should get a good boost in damage as well. You see to often Panthers and Tiger 1 get shoot without effect either ... and even the mighty Tiger II should NOT just simply shrug shoots of even to the front like its nothing. It should while not penetrate the armor have a fair chance to take out its infantry inside. Or do some more damage then just the tracks. There have been enough cases where Kingtigers suffered damage from lighter guns (see Ardenes offensive, Kampfgruppe Peiper) with damage to the electrical firing mechanism for example. This was not that uncommon. I can as well only agree. But in general, all tanks should actualy get weaker armor in game. Particularly when you use medium/heavy guns to attack their flank. Already the "smallest" angle can prove sometimes to be a serious issue ... and the panther at least really didnt had any noteworthy side protection. If all enemy armor would get weaker side armor, this would help actualy the sides which do not have such good armor present like the japanese since flanking manouvers would be emidiately more succesfull and not become sometimes a "game of luck" how I call it where a perfectly well placed shoot to the side is doing nothing at all ... Quote:
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When you have the luck to eventualy do a flanking manouver or get very close to the enemy the SU100 can be extremly dangerous. But unlike the Jagdpanther it cant take much of a fight since most medium / heavy guns can take it out and since MoW is degrading somewhat the penetration on distance heavily the SU100 is loosing a lot of importance on long range. The time you can get a Su100 its almost not worth to get it anymore cause thats almost the time you see heavy tanks that cant be clearly penetrated anymore. I am not asking for a super SU, but its hard to believe that the 100mm had better characteristics compared to the 122mm when you see how bad it performs already against panthers and tigers. Last edited by Crni vuk; 05-11-2010 at 11:09 AM. |
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Something that id think needs to be fixed is how easy it is to detrack stuff. 50cal MGs fire 5 rounds and detrack both tracks...thats retarded. One HE round from basically anything can knock it off. 20mm's do it w/ ease. Tracks werent really that weak now were they? I mean they are built to support a 60+ ton tank so id imagine they are thick enough to be completely impervious to 50cals and give 20mms a major headache. |
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it doesnt happen that frequently though. Never loost my tracks cause of 50cals or soviet Dshks. 20mm guns, thats a different story. But the trick is you have to get quite close to have a clear shoot at it. And the vehicle is most of the time loost afterwards.
He shells particularly of biger size should definetly damage the tracks. At the moment I even think they dont do enough damage, considering the powerfull nature of 150mm and biger calibers they should have a fair chance to harm the crew inside a tank cause of shock ! It was many times a used tactic by allied troops to take out the tracks of the enemy armor particularly with heavy vehicles and simply flank the imobilized tank or even simply leave the target to the air force or shell it to death with artillery. Many German vehicles probably meet their fate not by enemy anti tank guns but by planes and artillery. I am glad that you can take of tracks from vehicles. Otherwise taking out heavy axis armor would be a almost impossible task. Particularly weapons like the Sturmtiger or Jagdtiger. |
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I want eras. Seriously.
And yeah, in 1941 a Panzer 4 should be VERY expensive, while in 1944 Panzer 4's should be cheap and Panther being decently priced. In 1944 T-34/85's should be cheap, while T34/76's shouldn't be able 2 be built. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE BEST WAY/DIGITALMINDSOFT!! Make this change. |
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also nerf the ******* calliope. I hate it so bad!! Except when Im using it but that is rarely.....
also Su-100 should have a better armour penetration stats, and so should the Zis-2. Zis-2 is a toy gun compared 2 what it was IRL. This thing shat on Panzer 4's, and that is why the Soviet high command stopped production of them in 1941 - they were 2 expensive and useless at firing HE, because a Zis-3 could fire both HE and being able 2 take out Panzer 4's. It was not until Panthers started showing up that the Soviets resumed production of Zis-2! |
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The 100mm which was a version from a naval gun had for a soviet gun quite good capabilities particularly against panthers and the tiger 1 even on large distances. But I doubt it was powerfull enough to penetrate the front from a Tiger II. As both the turret and hul have been quite thick. Around 150mm angled for the hull and 180mm for the turret. I have no clue how acurate the page is but Battlefield.ru gives for the Su100 125mm penetration on 500m shooting a 60° angled plate, 155mm on 90° using the BR-412 APBC (Armor pearcing balistic cap). Remember the Germans used with ther famous 88mm Kwk (Kampfwagen kanone) many times not just simple armor pearcing (AP) but as well APCBC (armor pearcing capped balistic cap), or even rare APCR (Armor pearcing composit rigid). So the Tiger II should if using the APCRC outclass the Su100 with its APBC definetly. Even the standart APCBC-HE Panzergranate 39/43 for the PAK43 seems to penetrate more then 180mm of armor already on 500m and even more then 200mm with the rare APCR Panzergranate 40/43 The only gun that might have outclassed it (but thats not certain!) is the gun of the Superpershing which was a modified long version of the 90mm gun and late war designs like the british 105mm using APDS and APFSDS (modern shells) 3AD's "Super Pershing" vs. Germany's "King Tiger" But one should always remember that this is the internet afterall. So any informations should not be considered as simple fact. |
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Totally agree.
Close Combat had eras and a HUGE variety of troop types; that game was in some respects much superior to MOW, although MOW is vastly superior in the eye candy department. MOW has the illusion of a variety of troop types but when you sit down and look at what is available to the various factions, it really is all much the same for everyone, eg. tanks will come in small, bigger, big, and ginormous. Pretty simplistic really. And no eras. |
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