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#81
07-03-2010, 06:42 PM
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There are some tactics that makes the game too easy sometimes and I find myself constantly trying different tactics to make the game a little more challenging. I get an adrenalin rush when I succeed with a daring rush up to an enemy and hip-shooting him to death  In those situations the AI is stupid, they usually start making some movement that costs them too much time, like crouching or standing up.When fighting in cites the AI uses a tactic where they bunch up around a corner, then 2 of them rush out a few yards. When they do that another enemy usually quick turns out from behind the same corner and shoots at you. That's the one you should kill first, preferably by aim-at-point before he appears(then your shot will only take 0.05 sec), then throw a quick aimed burst at the other ones. I've had situations where I've killed 4 enemies with my one guy when they tried that tactic, but it's a sweet feeling when they fail 
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#82
07-04-2010, 03:35 PM
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Regarding the weapons, it's nice to see a good assortment of firearms and accessories, but you want to be careful of what you add. I prefer to see weapons that are actually in use, not rare or prototype weapons (like the gyrojet). That also means taking precaution on the use of uncommon or experimental calibers.
From how I remember the game based on the original version and earlier BFX mod, there weren't many locations where the high-powered marksman rifles would come into serious use. The cityscape locations only have a few long-ranged open lanes, and as you mentioned elsewhere the enemy has a tendency to jump behind walls or around corners, making precision shots with those weapons very difficult. And on the random-encounter maps, few had long open lanes due to the foliage or terrain. Even my M24 was not used too often, mostly just for initiating contact or picking off guards along the top walls of a prison. But I haven't seen any of the Reloaded maps, maybe some of them include more open and distant lanes that would allow clean shots with the Barret and similar rifles. But it's still not a bad idea to include them, just in case. If the player feels he can't position himself in good firing positions, he can opt for a "smaller" rifle such as the M24 or a tricked out G3/PSG-1/MSG-90. And I know what you mean about tactics needing to be shuffled at times. When I played the original game through I used the same tactic in the towns nearly every time. I would spawn in at the location closest to the hospital, and make a mad rush for the rooftops. Half of my team would take one side, the other half of the team the other side. Each team would have a marksman for those long-range shots, an assaulter to watch the ladder, and a grenadier packed with frags to toss over. I would put everyone in the prone, one watching the stairs while the other two were near the edge closest to the streets. Then I'd kneel with one of the marksmen, pick off the best enemy I could, and then prone again. If they tried coming up the ladder, BANG! And when I heard them all rushing around underneath me I'd just start lobbing frags at the contact spots. When the majority were dead from grenades, I'd start peeking over the edge and picking off the survivors. Near the end, I'd usually get a few that refused to climb the ladders or come out from behind corners/walls. If necessary, I'd send a man or two down to clean up, then it was loot time. After a while this routine got boring, so I tried other methods. I would sometimes rush everyone into a one-door room, place everyone in line like a firing squad, and open up on the enemy as they tried to make entry. Various tactics worked, others didn't. But the maps themselves were what ruined it for me, there's only so many tactics you can use on the same maps before your brain starts to rot. So what's the deal with the Reloaded maps. What kind of locations are they? Are they new towns, random encounters, etc? How are they added to the master map already in place? Any chance of throwing up some screenshots of a few new locations? I'm also curious how the new weapon limit is working out. What is the new "max" for weapons/items? Is there anyone still actively making new weapons or capable of doing so if requested? Have you thought of adding new items yet? If you need any assistance with weapons, equipment, etc then I'd be happy to help. I'm a weapons expert, and I'm currently a military advisor for another PC game. I could assist in item descriptions, realistic data for weapon systems, reference materials, and other aspects that could be useful. If you need any help, feel free to ask.
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#84
07-04-2010, 05:06 PM
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The realism vs game balance is a tricky one, and I tend to lean towards balance. Since I'm modding this game to increase the fun, not add a lot of micro-management that hinders the flow of the game, I almost always sides with balance. I could've added stuff like not being allowed to carry guns in cities, but that would mean that you'd have to leave your weapon in the car or on the ground everytime you enter a city. Or not being allowed to talk to character while you have a weapon in hand, being forced to shoulder it. A lot of time spent on pointless actions that disrupts the fun, just for the sake of realism. If I learn how to make those settings controlled by an INI file, then I'll consider adding them. But for now I'm not good enough and have so many other things to do, it'll have to wait.
I've heard the argument that some weapons are only prototypes and has no place in Algeira countless times, and IMHO that argument is flawed. Where does it say that this game takes place now and not a couple of years in the future when prototypes might have been produced in larger numbers? Having said that, I do agree that the gyrojets has no place in the game, but my argument is that they are so bad and no fun, they're a waste of space. That's why they've been removed from this mod. But other prototypes, like the Jackhammer and such, are fun to use and I'll leave them in the mod no matter what. You'd have to pry them from my cold dead hands  The new weapon limit is 4096, the mod has 400 variation of weapons, both modifed and folded ones included in that number. For the time being I have no 3d guy, but hopefully another capable guy will came along and help out. And I can always ast the HLA team if I can borrow their new additions, they've never turned down any of my requests. What a great bunch, eh I had a guy working on realistic weapon characteristics, but he's been working on that for more than 6 months and never seemed to get anywhere. So I got tired of waiting and made a few adjustments myself, and I'm by no means an expert, or interested in it. So if you have time I'd be grateful for anything you could offer in that department. It's the WEAPONINFO file that needs to be altered, and if you need help I'll gladly explain what all the entries are for and what they do when altered. Then there's the ITEMINFO debacle, I was in such a hurry and had so little spare time, some of them are incomplete. Some better explanations and descriptions would be great, but I think that's too much work for just one guy. Here's 6 maps from Reloaded that I've added, they're mostly walled off bases, some have a bit of forrested surroundings . Then there's 4 new Random Encounter maps, 2 of which is open space ones and the other 2 is winding passages. I dint bother making screenshots of them, gotta leave some things to your imagination. Aerodrome   Angars  DT Camp  Fuel Compound   Radio Station   Tutorial  
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#85
07-04-2010, 05:15 PM
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This looks great!
Btw., what 7.62 Reloaded? An official expansion pack? Also, is it just my imagination or did you really remove the only Zastava weapon that was in the game? If you manage I'd be really grateful if you would at one point include some Yugoslavian weapons, like the M76, M70B1 and the M70AB2 (it was the gun I was assigned when serving my tour in our country's military and it's also supposed to be much better than the Kalašnikov),...
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#86
07-04-2010, 05:29 PM
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7.62 Reloaded is a stand-alone sequel to 7.62. There are some differences though, it's linnear and only have a handful of new items.
It's your imagination, the Zastava is still in the game Try the cop trader, Campesino special trader, or the trader in Ciudad-de-Oro. They should carry it as will the rebel depot traders.If I had the models for any of those Yugo weapons I would add them, that's how it is
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#87
07-04-2010, 06:04 PM
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That's easily fixed: ------------------------ Zastava M70AB2 (with a light metal folding stock, the ones with fixed wooded stock are M70B1): Calibre: 7,62 x 39 mm Fully loaded and ready weight: 4110 g Capacity: 30 bullets per cartridge Length: 960 mm Length of barrel: 415 mm Muzzle velocity: 725 m/s Maximum range: 6000 m Effective range: 400 m Speed of fire: 650 bullets/min. Among other differences from the AK it's that with an adapter that comes with every rifle you can fire off Tromblons (Tromblon mines). Tromblon:  M70AB2:  http://hr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Datoteka:Zastava_M-70_.jpg Some info http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zastava_M70B http://www.oocities.com/dswahilly/AP_M70.htm ------------------------ RT-20 (Rucni top 20 mm - Hand Cannon 20mm) Anti-material sniper rifle - Caliber: 20x110mm Hispano Operation: manual operated, bolt action Barrel: 920 mm Weight: 19.2 kg with scope and bipod Length: 1330 mm Feed Mechanism: single shot, manual loading Maximum effective range: about 1800 meters http://world.guns.ru/sniper/sn56-e.htm http://world.guns.ru/sniper/rt-20.jpg http://world.guns.ru/sniper/rt20_1.jpg cartridge size comparision: .50 BMG (top) and the 20x110mm Hispano (below) http://world.guns.ru/sniper/20hs404.jpg ------------------------ ZASTAVA M-76 sniper rifle: http://world.guns.ru/sniper/sn65-e.htm Calibers: 7.92x57 Mauser; also 7.62x51mm NATO and 7.62x54R Operation: semiautomatic, gas operated, rotating bolt Barrel: 550 mm Weight - rifle with scope: 4.2 kg Weight - empty cartridge: 0.23 kg Length of rifle: 1135 mm Length of barrel: 550 mm Muzzle velocity of bullet: 730 m/s Feed Mechanism: 10 rounds detachable box magazine Max pressure of gunpowder gases: 3200 bar http://world.guns.ru/sniper/m76-1.jpg ----------------------------- ANOTHER INTERESTING YUGOSLAVIAN SNIPER RIFLE Zastava M93 Crna strela (Black arrow) .50 calibre sniper rifle Caliber: .50BMG (12.7x99mm); also available in 12.7x108mm Operation: manual bolt action, rotating bolt Barrel: 1000 mm Weight: 16 kg Length: 1670 mm Feed Mechanism: 5 rounds detachable box magazine http://world.guns.ru/sniper/sn59-e.htm http://world.guns.ru/sniper/black-arrow1.jpg http://world.guns.ru/sniper/black-arrow2.jpg Last edited by beepbeep; 07-04-2010 at 06:08 PM.
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#88
07-04-2010, 06:30 PM
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And having to shoulder a long arm while talking to someone is also not needed. Just because someone has a rifle in their hands doesn't mean they are holding it in an "aggressive" manner that might upset or intimidate the person they are speaking with. So don't worry about that kind of detail, you're fine without adjusting it. Quote:
That isn't just regarding "prototype" designs, but also the use of regular-looking firearms using oddball calibers. For example, there shouldn't be any .454 Casull firearms in game because it's a very uncommon caliber. You sure as hell won't be seeing ammunition in some 3rd-world country, and even in places like the US those rounds are quite rare. Not that one has been added yet, but stuff like a 9mm AK-47 is another example of something that should never be added, no matter how "cool" it looks. Quote:
Off-hand there aren't really many weapons that I can think of suggesting for future addition. Although I wouldn't mind hearing what else the HLA team has made lately. Mostly I was thinking about weapon accessories, uniform (character model) changes, and personal equipment. Those new maps bring a lot of new ideas to mind. Quote:
Since I'm not a coding guru myself, I don't think I'd have much help to offer in that aspect. And it sounds like it takes a bit of coding and some serious testing to get things working right. I'd probably mess things up more than fix it, especially if your other guy was working on it for 6 months and still made no progress. Quote:
I'd just need to know if there are any character limitations, restrictions on certain character types (no symbols, etc), and how "detailed" you want the descriptions to be. Noob terms or Soldier terms basically. Quote:
The military-style design to several of those new maps is cool, and can lead to a lot of new scripting/quest ideas. The terrain is nicely mixed, and looks to be well laid out and designed to look like a real location. The Aerodrome looks beautiful! About the map you have labeled as "Tutorial", I'm assuming that it was used as part of the tutorial in Reloaded. I'm curious, are any of those targets reactive, or are they just stationary objects? Most likely just stationary, but I can dream. Quote:
And which "Zastava" weapons are you talking about? I can't really remember there being any in the game. All of their weapons were just clones of other weapon systems. The M76 was a modified clone of the SVD. The M70 series were just AK-47 clones. The M84 was cloned after the PK series. Why have the original weapon systems and then add duplicate copies with the only difference in game being the item name? I have personally fired nearly every Zastava firearm in production as well as their "parent" firearm that they were cloned after. And from personal experience, they performed no better or worse. That was just a false rumor started by people from Yugoslavia, simply because it was "their firearm". Just like Americans claim that American cars are best, or Japanese claim that their electronics are best. People will almost always prefer a product made in their home country, and claim it as being better out of pride. Nothing against anyone from those countries, Yugoslavian firearms were not of poor quality. But I just never saw anything that would say they were better either.
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#89
07-04-2010, 07:48 PM
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Sorry, I should have said 3d models for the game. I saw 2 weapons there that already has similar models in the game, and by copying their models and adding their ini entries, they could be added. But I'm not in the right place to add new weapons right now, too busy with scripting. @Ninja2dan I think your 3d models can be ported over to 7.62, but one needs to use 3dsm 5, it's the only version the act exporter works with. Since I only have 3dsm 9 I couldn't do it myself, but I'm sure I know someone that has version 5 that could help with the exporting. I know for a fact that one can do a similar thing with weapons from STALKER, and those weapon models are of a very high quality. To alter the weapon characteristics isn't that hard, it's just a matter of ini editing a few values. If you know what those values do, it wont take that long to complete. The difficult thing is find a balance between the weapons, and since the maps isn't that large one needs to respect the range limits to keep the different types weapons apart, from pistols all the way up to anti-material guns. And testing that is what takes much time. The tutorial map, not sure what you mean there. The shots will show on it, the decals are there. But if you mean they fall when shot, I think not. The map meshes for the maps are a bit rigid in that respect, something the devs changed in Capitulum and Man of Prey. I've gotten some help lately with creating new uniforms, there might be a new line of them in the upcoming release. I think I'll leave them faction neutral, but if work progresses with the Blue Sun Quests I might consider adding them to that faction. There are 2 new weapons in the latest HLA I'd like to add, the Magpul Masada and the old German MP40 Submachine-gun. I think I'll ask them about it tomorrow.
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#90
07-04-2010, 08:49 PM
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I'm not sure what weapons, if any, you'd find of use from the game I work with. The majority of the weapons are all custom made by our staff, replacing the original weapons from the "vanilla" game. They are of pretty high quality in their core file, being "down-graded" during export to meet the poly requirements of the game.
All of the weapons are current military issue, with the exception of a few weapons used by the Insurgent faction. We have quite a few factions in game as well, so the weapon list is pretty large. But a lot of those weapons might not even be desired in a game such as 7.62, such as the RPG or AT-4. But if you're looking for military weapon systems, and it's not in BSM already, just let me know and I'll see if I can get the models for you. You mentioned you're a bit busy now, so there's no hurry on it. As for the weapon data, that was actually part of my concern. The ranges used in the game are not extended enough to make full use of the larger-caliber weapon systems such as the Barret. I'd have to find a large open area to do the ballistics testing to try and get everything matched up properly, and I'd need some instructions on how to actually create a "copy" installation that will allow easy and rapid access to the testing location. Something to think about in the future, but I think I'll look at the other areas first. And yeah, that was what I meant in regards to my question about the Tutorial map. I was wondering if they had somehow added the ability for the targets to be reactive, meaning the "fell down" when hit. I had strong doubts that it was possible, but figured I'd ask just in case. Oh well. I'm curious, how "easy" is it to actually create new missions/quests? How well do they tie together, such as having multiple-outcome scenarios that string along like a tree? Is it basically just creating a storyboard, writing out each mission, and then creating some sort of script that ties them together? Is there a limit to the number of overall missions used in the mod? Are there any other limitations or complex problems that interfere with creating new missions? Things such as max enemy/civilian characters per mission/map. I know there isn't a map editor, but is there any way to add objects to a map, such as a backpack that must be located and picked up? Or can this only be done by looting from bodies? I'm asking a lot of questions because I'm hoping to help come up with some new ideas that will expand the mod further while we wait for a new version to be released (if ever). I really like this game, probably my #1 on the list, so I'd like to help keep it alive if at all possible. I've done a lot of game development in the past, so I'm sure I can come up with some useful stuff. I just need to have a better understanding of the game engine and its limitations/capabilities. You're kickin ass, but this is too much work for one or two people to handle alone. Edit: I also forgot to ask, do various objects/materials have different damage/penetration values? Such as doors being made of wood having different penetration values than doors made of steel? And do the various projectiles per caliber have different penetration values? If so, I'd have to conduct additional testing during the ballistics modification to ensure their penetration values were in line as well. Last edited by Ninja2dan; 07-04-2010 at 08:55 PM.
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Well, okay, from what I've heard about Afghanistan that may be realistic... but still. 
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