British FM killing the fun of the game for allied pilots.

[Robo.]

Originally Posted by 5./JG27.Farber

I flew it before the patch and shot down 3 reds. It was so slow they could not stay behind me and I went even slower... They stalled

Lol I said 'good Spitfire pilots'

[Robo.]

Originally Posted by CaptainDoggles

People get defensive because there's an attitude on this forum that says that Axis pilots are just no-skill newbies who can only win because they have super planes. A lot of us are sick of it.

I haven't noticed this kind of attitude to be honest, all I know is that most of Axis pilots I know are very very good and they know what they're doing because they are usually flying more systematically and disciplined. I have many friends among what you call Axis pilots, I also fly the 109 very often myself and I know what it is capable of in good hands. I have great respect for every experienced virtual pilot and the truth is that there is lots of people like that, simply because many guys are flying sims for God knows how many years and they know how to fly and how to shoot. It is also quite obvious that Blue has got the better aircrafts at the moment and unless you're pushing your luck you won't get touched by the RAF if you do things right...

There are also many new pilots just learning how to fly, which is great as the community is growing and they also learn fast (no matter what they fly), so in the end it's quite difficult to find a 109 that doesn't know what to do on full real servers. Almost everybody is good enough to be a threat, especially so in the 109. So I don't quite understand where you're coming from with this 'no-skills newbies' stuff. Some of the best pilots I know are 109 jockeys, the reason being probably that once you're good you want a good ride, too.

[notafinger!]

Originally Posted by 5./JG27.Farber

Hmmm some people want accurate flight models and others want "balanced" FM's... this is interesting.

I'd also like to see the correct roll rates and other things.

Because who is to say when absolute accuracy is achieved? So many sources all claiming differrent things & pilot accounts are terribly biased. However, from the data we can see some general characteristics emerge when the a/c are compared (i.e. Hurricane turning superiority, 109 dive acceleration, Spitfire/109 speed advantage at certain alts etc..). If the devs were to focus on getting the general characteristics of each type correct it would both feel historically accurate & have some balance. BoB is a very unique battle and those who have researched it would see there is near parity between forces, the Spitfire & 109 being a very close match with the Hurricane a not too distant third. Anyway, I think we can all agree the status quo of trying to get things right to the last mph while other major FM errors persist is not working.

[Robo.]

Originally Posted by notafinger!

Because who is to say when absolute accuracy is achieved? So many sources all claiming differrent things & pilot accounts are terribly biased. However, from the data we can see some general characteristics emerge when the a/c are compared (i.e. Hurricane turning superiority, 109 dive acceleration, Spitfire/109 speed advantage at certain alts etc..). If the devs were to focus on getting the general characteristics of each type correct it would both feel historically accurate & have some balance. BoB is a very unique battle and those who have researched it would see there is near parity between forces, the Spitfire & 109 being a very close match with the Hurricane a not too distant third. Anyway, I think we can all agree the status quo of trying to get things right to the last mph while other major FM errors persist is not working.

...again, +1 mate!

[ATAG_Snapper]

Well, the Red FM's may be porked way beyond the pale, but let's look at the bright side of life: the negative g cutout on the Spits is fixed!!!!

And....possible bonus.....radiator air resistance may be modelled now. Just a rumour, mind you, no mention of it in the rather slim readme notes.

[ATAG_Dutch]

Originally Posted by ATAG_Snapper

And....possible bonus.....radiator air resistance may be modelled now. Just a rumour, mind you, no mention of it in the rather slim readme notes.

As it happens, I've also come across a yaw trim issue with canopy open at altitude. But it might've been me. Canopy open now causing drag? Could be.

[Robo.]

Originally Posted by ATAG_Snapper

And....possible bonus.....radiator air resistance may be modelled now. Just a rumour, mind you, no mention of it in the rather slim readme notes.

It definitely was in 1.07, now in 1.08 it seems to be gone again

[Jatta Raso]

no only killing the fun, it completely killed the game for me. i'm not playing anymore recently. it's not just a matter of relative performance generally speaking, the worst is that the performance gap is most unfair when both red and blue have their E depleted and on deck, then the 109 can gain advantage over the Spit with ease, with just some silly small climbs, like that would have worked on RL (perhaps on WWI...)

[ATAG_Snapper]

Originally Posted by Robo.

It definitely was in 1.07, now in 1.08 it seems to be gone again

JTDawg and I were trying it a little bit while flying Spitfire MK I (2-speed) last night (ATAG Server). I found closing the radiator by 50% increased the climb rate slightly = slight increase in IAS when level trim is applied. It was subtle, and we were testing this while we were shooting down 16.28 109's apiece, so we were slightly distracted.

OK, OK.......J/K everyone!!!!! (It was only 12 109's shot down apiece )

[5./JG27.Farber]

Robo,

I think what Doggles was talking about was that most reds blame the aircraft fro not being up to scratch and consider flying a 109 "easy".

I have been on the recieving end of comments like "you only shot me down because the flight models porked!". - when the guy didnt even see me comming