What kind of joystick for CoD ?

[Sokol1]

No way the Daniel K. drivers can work with Win7 64-bits ?

Since the question gameport X 64 bits OS (Vista and Seven) date from Vista launch an no solution come, I think is lost of time insist in try... Only Daniel K work with this issue - and under pressure from Creative to forget this matter...

Feuerfalke,

Gameport USB adapter dont work well for M$ FF PRO - this stick use MIDI pins from gameport too.
These adapters are design for joysticks that are standard at time: CH Fligstick and Thrustmaster FCS.

Every with CH F-16 Combatstick (gameport) - that are more simple - you loose some buttons.

The only option (that I know) to use M$ FF PRO in USB is a old DIY circuit based in ATMEGA MCU - but only return to center force work, all others FF effect are lost.

http://212.1.43.18/detlef/jpgs/Board2.jpg
http://212.1.43.18/detlef/jpgs/Board3.jpg
http://www.descentbb.net/viewtopic.php?t=7090
http://grendel.koolbear.com/3dpro.htm
http://translate.google.com/translat...hp%3Ft%3D52842

PatBit,

I think that your best option is go to eBay an pick one M$ FF 2 USB.

Sokol1

[PatBig]

Originally Posted by Artist

Unfortunately not: BU0836s know nothing about FFB.

Does that mean that you lost the force feedback on your G940 when you modded it ?

Originally Posted by Sokol1

I think that your best option is go to eBay an pick one M$ FF 2 USB.

Well in that case, I'd rather go for something more up to date. My intention was to upgrade to a G940, but buying such an expensive stick and not being able to aim correctly at my targets because of the reversal bug is something I just wouldn't be able to stand. So I'll probably wait until Logitech (or anyone else) fix this for all axxis.

I feel really frustrated about having a perfectly working stick and not being able to use it just because Microsoft did not bother respecting the common standards and/or providing an alternative solution when upgrading their operating system.

Thank you for your help anyway.

[Hunden]

Originally Posted by 335th_GRExandas

You will need hotas

And rudder pedals thats all anthng else is waste of money !!

I would purchase the rudder pedals but I have'nt figured a way to attach them to my recliner in the reclined position.

[Sokol1]

Does that mean that you lost the force feedback on your G940 when you modded it ?

No, BU0836 is for "drive" throttle, rudder and rotaries axis - in these still used pots (someone say 0,10U$ ones...), since Logitech firmware induce error in this axis - see what Artist say above. He say that every change this pots for better ones or HALL sensor dont cure "reverse bug".

X and Y axis - that already use Melexis 3D HALL sensor (contact less) - still using Logitech circuit, so you no lost FF efects, that work only in this two axis.

Well in that case, I'd rather go for something more up to date.

The question is: in FF stick dont exist nothing better than M$ FF2:
http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=18562



Sokol1

[Artist]

Originally Posted by Sokol1

No, BU0836 is for "drive" throttle, rudder and rotaries axis - in these still used pots (someone say 0,10U$ ones...), since Logitech firmware induce error in this axis - see what Artist say above. He say that every change this pots for better ones or HALL sensor dont cure "reverse bug".

X and Y axis - that already use Melexis 3D HALL sensor (contact less) - still using Logitech circuit, so you no lost FF efects, that work only in this two axis.

Right: That is exactly what the problem is and how I and others modded the G940: Kept the Hall-sensored x- and y-axis of the stick on the Logitech controller (Logitech fixed the reversal Bug on those) and connected all other axes to B0836(A or X). That way we do have FFB and all axes precise...

Originally Posted by Sokol1

The question is: in FF stick dont exist nothing better than M$ FF2

From what I've read, this seem to be correct - never read a bad opinion o the MS-FFB2. The G940 could have been a more than worthy follower, but as of now it is usable only if you take it apart and start soldering - thereby loosing all warranty... I choose this path and am quite happy. Next step will be replacing potentiometers with Hall-sensors

[PatBig]

@ Artist

Question : did you solve the X an Y axes reversal bug through the new firmware produced by Logitech, or did you do get rid of the bug by using your Software YaDeLi or Multi-Throttle ?

@ Artist & Sokol1

No matter how good the M$ FF2 is, it does not have rudder pedals, Dual throttle and programmable switches. This is also what I am looking for.

By the way, is the M$ FF2 working fine under Win 7 64-bits ?

I read on the Logitech forum that hope is not totally gone for Logitech to fix the reversal bug for all the remaining axes presenting the bug. It is mentionned that they are working on it

[tintifaxl]

Originally Posted by PatBig

Does that mean that you lost the force feedback on your G940 when you modded it ?



Well in that case, I'd rather go for something more up to date. My intention was to upgrade to a G940, but buying such an expensive stick and not being able to aim correctly at my targets because of the reversal bug is something I just wouldn't be able to stand. So I'll probably wait until Logitech (or anyone else) fix this for all axxis.

I feel really frustrated about having a perfectly working stick and not being able to use it just because Microsoft did not bother respecting the common standards and/or providing an alternative solution when upgrading their operating system.

Thank you for your help anyway.

With the current firmware I didn't experience the reversal bug on the stick.

[Sokol1]

AFAIK reversal bug dont affect G940 X and Y axis.

Since you whant dual throttle and Force Feedback, the only choice is G940...

Sokol1

[Artist]

PatBig,

The new firmware published in December 2010 reduces the Reversal Bug on the stick's x- and y-axes to a neglectible quantitiy (down to 0.3% from above 3.0%) - It therefore was neither necessary to connect those sensors to the BU0836 nor to redirect the output via YaDeLi (or Multithrottle). *All* other axes still have the Reversal Bug and I do not see hope concerning Logitech (see the threads there).

@ Sokol1: Why not combining a MS FFB 2 with pedals and throttles from simped, ch-products, saitek, et al? Which one is a question of quality vs. costs...

Artist

[Devastat]

Originally Posted by BP_Tailspin

I have been using a Logitech Extreme 3D Pro @ $29.00 for years, works great.

I've always used the same joystick as well. It is a good joystick but one thing is annoying, it is almost impossible to turn the stick without accidentally twisting it at the same time (and moving rudder).

Maybe I have to get foot pedals and somehow disable the control of rudder from the joystick.