IL2 and Sound Modding - Page 61

JG52Uther · #**601** 12-16-2007, 03:27 PM

Well surely these days it is neccessary.Sorry I come from online wars where everyone records tracks of their missions.

Baron · #**602** 12-16-2007, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by JG52Uther

Baron:No not really.I thought you said you had proof of cheating? If so kindly provide 'your' proof of cheating tracks here,on this forum,so that 1C people can see it.Or are you telling them they have to go and register at some obscure website as well?
As I said,I can provide you with some file hosting links and instructions on how to post your 'proof of cheating tracks.

Found a few links to help you post your 'proof of cheating using the hack' tracks for 1C:

http://www.yourfilehost.com/
http://www.filefactory.com/
http://www.fileho.com/

There are others but they should do for a start. Not sure if ntrk or .trk is the format 1C prefer.

Thx, i know how to post tracks.

Just for future referance, what will we be "obliged" to do after u modders get the hack cheat tracks?

Will we be forced to prove Santa exists?

First Eula then No DVD crack and now track proof......whats next?

Again.....i (we) dont need to do anything......"U" people however need to get your heads glued back on.

BTW. will i post tracks?.........LOL, dont think so. (and i wonder what responses ill get because of that....iiiii woooooonder) LOL

Sunchaser · #**603** 12-16-2007, 03:43 PM

Ya know, I think it is time for all those claiming cheating to actually prove same.

Some seem to think a simple statement of "cheating is rampant online" makes it so and I have not seen a single claimant offer proof.

I use the sound mod and have tried to join no mod servers with check runtime2 in their game description, not to cheat but to see if it works and it does, I cannot join.

Baron, you are not obliged to do anything but if I claim cheating and I have the means to prove it, I would.

JG52Uther · #**604** 12-16-2007, 03:44 PM

So you cannot substantiate your unproven allegations.I don't want you to post your 'proof of cheating using the hack' tracks for me only,as I think its important that you do it for Oleg at 1C.Don't you want to do that for Oleg?
as for the other things you mentioned,yes the EULA thing was shown to be invalid,and yes,after you posted that link for me, about the no cd/no dvd fiasdo,I posted another part of that thread to show you were mistaken but you must have missed it because you did not respond.
Anyway i don't want to go off topic here,so please post your 'cheating using the hack' tracks for Oleg and the others here.You will then be able to substantiate your arguments about online cheating for us all.

123-Wulf-123 · #**605** 12-16-2007, 03:46 PM

The hackers as usual have got this point about "proof" arse about face.

1. They have to prove to the legal community that no-one is altering the FM/DM files (which believe me is EASY to do).

2. They have to prove that no-one is "tweaking" the FMs just enough to give them a distinct advantage which is difficult to both see and prove.

3. They have to prove that no-one is flying with no cockpit and or 6dof in cockpit on servers.

4. They have to prove that no-one is making friendly a/c camouflaged and enemy flourescent.

5. How many more of the hacks open to the hackers shall I post?

6. No-one has "proven" ANYTHING about the EULA other than it is a legally compliant article, there are NO court appointed judges in this forum with the legal authority to make ANY judgement about legally binding contracts.

7. It is not for the legal members of the community to prove ANYTHING, it is for the illegal hackers to prove their arguments that their hack does not enable them to cheat PERIOD.

You guys are talking BS and you know it, while its easy to see the obvious hackers with ultra-uberised FMs (and there are PLENTY), its the sneaky buggers using the "slightly tweaked" FM and the visibility hacks that are killing the legal game for sure, and strangely you hackers tend to avoid discussing those particular hacks....I wonder why?

JG52Uther · #**606** 12-16-2007, 03:50 PM

Well as said I have not seen any cheating in the servers I play on.As people said they have proof,it follows that we would like to see it.
Don't know whats wrong with that polite request.

Bearcat · #**607** 12-16-2007, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by crazyivan1970

Sorry BC...but there is no "WE" dont try to gather "US" under your flags... This is your point of view

Your wrote a lot and i got lost somewhere in the middle... LOL

Facts still remain... The sim was hacked... and many of community members embraced that fact, including you and quiet a few others... Community shot itself in the foot... and i`ll tell you more... After being shot down by an I-16 armed with 4 MK108s on the well known server, i STRONGLY doubt that i will ever appear on the DF servers again (like anyone cares). I dont know who did more damage to MP... those who hacked the sim, or those who took over or those who embraced it. Funny thing is... i got majorly disapointed in soo many people in such short period of time. Hey, no biggie.. i`ll move on..

As far as RTS.DLL that many are tring to bring up - apples and oranges... this is publishers problem, has nothing to do with purity of the sim itself. Hack on the other hand... is everybodies problem. It is now that everyone is excited... give it some time

Well perhaps you should have read the whole thing so that you could get your facts straight, with all due respect.... Look man.... I am not talking about embracing the mods.. or hacks or whatever. I have never embraced them.. all I am saying is to keep going on and on over the same ground about them is pointless.. they are here... and they aren't going anywhere and the only ones who can change that are O & 1C and until they do, going on and on about the morality or legality of the mods and those who use them does nothing. Thats all I am saying... I personally, although there are some that sound like they would be good.. (No pun intended) have not and as of this moment still do not intend to DL any of them... but to abandon the sim, or online play or to keep this same back and forth thing going on the pros and cons going adds nothing to the situation to alter any of the facts.. and those facts are that the sim is hacked... and only 1C can fix it. Thats all I am saying.. and if for whatever reason they chose not to whether it be time constraints or the phases of the moon then the facts will remain as they are today and all this silly back and forth nonsense will not change that so move beyond that.. I think the fact that I have not used any of them says more than my words about what I think of them and whether or not I have "embraced them".....

Sunchaser · #**608** 12-16-2007, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by 123-Wulf-123

The hackers as usual have got this point about "proof" arse about face.

1. They have to prove to the legal community that no-one is altering the FM/DM files (whis believe me is EASY to do).

2. They have to prove that no-one is "tweaking" the FMs just enough to give them a distinct advantage which is difficult to both see and prove.

3. They have to prove that no-one is flying with no cockpit and or 6dof in cockpit on servers.

4. They have to prove that no-one is making friendly a/c camouflaged and enemy flourescent.

5. How many more of the hacks open to the hackers shall I post?

You guys are talking BS and you know it, while its easy to see the obvious hackers with ultra-uberised FMs (and there are PLENTY), its the sneaky buggers using the "slightly tweaked" FM and the visibility hacks that are killing the legal game for sure, and strangely you hackers tend to avoid discussing those particular hacks....I wonder why?

Those subtle hacks have been available since before the sound mod and other things it made available arrived, the vendetta you are on arrived with it.

Where was all the outrage before?

fly_zo · #**609** 12-16-2007, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Baron

OMG...u just dont get it, do u?

By posting garbage like this u just proved Brando and Wolf to be right on the money.

Couldnt agree more with them myselfe.

Right and wrong is only something to stride for if u get something out of it, right?

Do u people even think before u write, do u think beyond the 1 m hemisphere surrounding u, do u considering anything but your own needs...or do u listen to I-Pod and read a comic book at the same time u are forming your all knowing oppinions?

well it is obviously too complicated for you so i'll try to take it down to your level of understanding: just because things are legal it doesn't make them right ! Simple enough or i shall draw pictures for you ?

jasonbirder · #**610** 12-16-2007, 04:02 PM

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its the sneaky buggers using the "slightly tweaked" FM and the visibility hacks that are killing the legal game for sure, and strangely you hackers tend to avoid discussing those particular hacks....I wonder why?

Probably because the overwhelming majority of IL2 players have absolutely no interest at all in what happens in dogfight server rooms...Something that only affects a tiny (though heaven knows, a very vocal) minority.

To the vast majority of players - what a few "win at all costs" players choose to do in a handful of "come as you are" open access stat driven dogfight servers, has absolutely no bearing whatsoever on their day to day enjoyment of this game.