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12-15-2007, 10:15 PM
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No problem, just "borrow" any intellectual creation from jason (if he has any, I doubt it) and claim credit. Make sure he can`t prove his title. He shouldn`t be worried one bit as he doesn`t mind at all.
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#562
12-16-2007, 12:02 AM
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You know carguy, Oleg Maddox's qoute you have there, just refers to the "Online community". I think he once said that 90 to 95% of the people who use the game are offliners.
BTW, those servers who use the "Mod" are well populated and are much better than the standard "I am a Hero who flys a LA-7, Spit 25, Wonder Woman (tm) server", which BTW is about 90% of all servers out there. Maybe some of you should really "READ" his quote. Online Community is not everything. Just my 2 cents. DerAlte |
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#563
12-16-2007, 02:30 AM
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That could be true for 2001... but 6 years later where everybody and his brother has broadband connections... I dont think that percentage is still the same 
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12-16-2007, 03:12 AM
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Yes there is, if the software in question was not intended to be open source by it's maker, which is the case with the IL2 series. Remember, the "mods" as you call them, are only possible because the encrypted SFS files, which were never meant to be decompiled except by Maddox Games, or their agents, were hacked open using an illegal and unsanctioned device. This is irrefutable. The IL2 series was never intended to be user modifyable. END OF STORY. Are you so thick headed that you cannot understand this?
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#565
12-16-2007, 03:34 AM
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Man was not built for and was never suppose to FLY.... what happened ?
Yvan little bit of lockon with me ? 
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12-16-2007, 04:04 AM
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GOZR, that's a spurious argument and you know it.
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#567
12-16-2007, 05:12 AM
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Everyone needs to get with those FACTS..... and the only thing that will make any of this BS banter meaningful in one way or another is a response from Oleg & 1C .... or the lack thereof. Period. I understand the passion that so many feel for this sim.... and I share it... it has become much, much, MUCH more than just something I "play" on my PC to me. It has changed my life... which I never thought a simple piece of software could do.... I have made acquaintances from all over the world.. learned more about ballistics, aeronautics, history, aircraft, graphic design, web building, physics,politics,chemistry, and even myself than I ever thought I would have 7 years ago this very day from a "game"... so when I say STFU and get over it.... MOVE ON TO THE NEXT LEVEL... I say it with all sincerity and from the heart.. and from a position of someone who cares just as much about this sim as anyone else here save those whose labor produced it. I am not intentionally being flip or disrespectful... but THAT is what all of you who keep this going on both sides need to do. For the CON modders... if all your posts, and rants, and quotes and legal mumbo jumbo could actually change anything it would be at the least a worthy effort.. but it cant.. it changes NOTHING... NOTHING.... For the PRO modders... if all your defensive, smack talking brohuha bolstered your position from a basic standpoint of the FACTS of the intitial process that gave us the means to mod in the first place did anything to change the facts.. great... but it doesn't. The truth is that Oleg never wanted, intended, or approved of the hacking of the sim that he and 1C developed... that's a fact.. and you can talk about no cd files and all that BS if you want to but those are the facts.... THE FACTS folks, like it or not......... However the biggest singular fact that both sides overlook at every turn in order to continue spout their own point of view is, I say again ...that THE DEED IS DONE.. and no amount of arguments, justification, defense, accusation or whatever will change that.. not only that the ONLY THING that will rectify it and that will restore the previous stauts quo is direct input from Oleg and/or 1C and that only temporarily... let's be real here.. The fact that it lasted this long is a testament and a very outstanding one I might add to the work Of OM & 1C... Let's face it .. people have wanted to hack this sim since it came out.... in 01.. but they couldn't.. and it took this long to bring this sim to the level of it's contemporaries, it's lessors if you will, by making it moddable. But that is the only way that it has been brought to the level of it's "contemporaries". It is still hands down the the ABSOLUTE BEST WWII combat sim available for commercial use.... inspite of the FACT that it is now hacked. That is a testament to the genius of it's creators. Nothing else but direct input from Oleg and/or 1C will do to alleviate this issue "officially" .. and if that is NOT forthcoming, again for whatever reason ... then you all need to just shut up and move on in your chosen path, either for or against and act accordingly, but you need to stop cluttering up cyberspace with this BS back and forth dissonance that will not change. I have said from the beginning and will continue to say that we as a flight sim community need to move beyond the current state because it is past us.... The moment to "do something" is gone. What we are doing now is like sitting around pointing fingers after the cow has left the barn... LONG after the fact... instead of either trying to round up the cows we can find or figure out how to make up the shortfall if any of milk and cream.. I know it may be anathema to do so for many in both parties but you all need to move from who did what to what when .. to how will We as a community of folks, who are so passionate about our positions in the first place because of the sim deal with things as they are NOW... TODAY for better or worse in this, the community of the best the ABSOLUTE BEST WWII combat Flight Simulator BAR NONE to hit the market to date. Many of you folks on both sides are so adamant about your positions and so vehement to the opposition because of the same thing... your passion for the sim. This has gone beyond trying to "understand the other guy"... What you all should be thinking about is ... where will this community be -because it wont die on the day that SoW:BoB is released- 16 months from now... and act accordingly. If you don't want this community to go the way of every other sim community that has "benifitted" from becoming moddable, either through legit or non legit means, then you all better get on the d@mn wagon and try to figure out how to deal with the fact as they are... as they are not as they were, not as you would like them to be, but as they are. Those facts are that the sim had been hacked... and mods are coming out.... it is up to US what this community becomes... us and Oleg & 1C. Arguing and pointing finger will do absolutely NOTHING. For the time being and for whatever reason Oleg & 1C aren't talking..... so what will the community do? Sure you cant "legislate" morality.. but we as a community can try to set a tone for what we as a community will or will not tolerate in online venues. Last edited by Bearcat; 12-16-2007 at 04:02 PM. |
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#568
12-16-2007, 06:04 AM
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ElAurens I'm just trying to add sunshine to dark posts
Anyway the only good solution is to have this kind of little punk buster like for host side or maybe .. maybe something has been worked on 4.09m... |
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12-16-2007, 08:26 AM
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I still dont know what all the commotion is about though. 1C and UBI are dropping IL2. Period. Doing so means that the product has passed it's sales cycle. Kaput, Finito, THE END. "The King is dead, Long live the King!" It is now with the wolves. And there are so many hungry wolves baying for more. Just glance the forums to see. But if UBI/1C were to say they were implementing punkbusters and were releasing development tools for offline gaming for IL2. I wonder what would happen then? The glass is half full. |
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12-16-2007, 09:30 AM
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Sorry BC...but there is no "WE" dont try to gather "US" under your flags... This is your point of view
 Your wrote a lot and i got lost somewhere in the middle... LOLFacts still remain... The sim was hacked... and many of community members embraced that fact, including you and quiet a few others... Community shot itself in the foot... and i`ll tell you more... After being shot down by an I-16 armed with 4 MK108s on the well known server, i STRONGLY doubt that i will ever appear on the DF servers again (like anyone cares). I dont know who did more damage to MP... those who hacked the sim, or those who took over or those who embraced it. Funny thing is... i got majorly disapointed in soo many people in such short period of time. Hey, no biggie.. i`ll move on.. As far as RTS.DLL that many are tring to bring up - apples and oranges... this is publishers problem, has nothing to do with purity of the sim itself. Hack on the other hand... is everybodies problem. It is now that everyone is excited... give it some time
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