SHOOTING at the OLYMPICS

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by CaptainDoggles

Aw, how cute, the pro-gun people are ignoring the statistics.

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showpos...1&postcount=29

a lot of statistics on murder rates don't take into account how the felony was perpetrated, gun-whiners give it for granted that it was a gun crime, that tells a lot about their bias..

[Verhängnis]

Unfortunately, I don't see everyday gun owners committing massacres... should we ban the entry of Muslims into the the country because a few decide to go off their nut and blow themselves up?

[rhinomonkey]

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

and that sums up the ignorance of many on the topic.

Don't you really think it's ridiculous to express such broad statements on a topic you obviously know nothing about?

Not really. Did you read the rest of my post? I cant see what's wrong with pointing out that people use guns to kill each other thats why there is high gun death rate in countries like USA Somialia and Afghanistan where there is no gun control mixed with social problems. I didn't say people only use guns to kill each other, i do realise that there are many legitimate reasons for owning firearms. Sport shooting, hunting, pest control etc.

[Sternjaeger II]

Unfortunately, I don't see everyday gun owners committing massacres... should we ban the entry of Muslims into the the country because a few decide to go off their nut and blow themselves up?

as much as I wholeheartedly agree with you, watch out for the stuff you talk about here, this can easily get out of control..

[von Pilsner]

Originally Posted by mazex

This forum sure has seen many uneducated and prejudiced posts, but this passes the line with a big margin. You really should apologize for a post like this.

I would have to agree, it shows his maturity level is probably not high enough to have a grown up discussion about a topic like this....

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

a lot of statistics on murder rates don't take into account how the felony was perpetrated, gun-whiners give it for granted that it was a gun crime, that tells a lot about their bias..

So people who disagree with your views (and that is what they are, not facts) are whiners.... Also very mature.

I own guns, but we never used assault rifles or 100 round magazines for hunting. I can understand why restricting or limiting purchase of these weapons and magazines seems reasonable as their apparent function is only to kill humans.

[nearmiss]

It is important to remember history.

It has been reported so many times the German people during WW2 were complicit when they allowed Hitler to kill and destroy so many people. This is terribly inaccurate reporting.

Hitler conscripted all the guns right after he came into power. Hitler's army and collaborators had guns, but the German people were prevented from having guns. German citizens were shot on the spot for having guns. There are accounts of citizens being killed when they tried to surrender their guns to the Nazi.

When people have had no way to defend themselves, defend their rights or protect others, then despotic leaders have always had their way.

Look at North Korea. There are plenty of people under the thumb of that dictatorships right now. All over the world there are dictatorships empowered, because their people have no adequate means to resist or protect themselves.

[von Pilsner]

Originally Posted by Verhängnis

Unfortunately, I don't see everyday gun owners committing massacres...

That's because the moment they commit a massacre you no longer classify them as an everyday gun owner, the difference being one shot a bunch of people with his legally purchased guns while the other did not.

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by rhinomonkey

Not really. Did you read the rest of my post? I cant see what's wrong with pointing out that people use guns to kill each other thats why there is high gun death rate in countries like USA Somialia and Afghanistan where there is no gun control mixed with social problems. I didn't say people only use guns to kill each other, i do realise that there are many legitimate reasons for owning firearms. Sport shooting, hunting, pest control etc.

because you're distorting things with semantics. Yes, if you want to you can use a gun to kill a person, but same thing is with a car, a cricket bat, a knife... everything has a killing potential, but it's not the ban of such things that will control the animal spirit of human beings.

Massacres are a sad reality of human kind since the beginning of the homo sapiens day. Portable firearms on the other hand became available only in the late 19th century, to think that banning firearms will automatically stop violence is ludicrous for two main reasons:

1) criminals won't hand their weapons in, can you really imagine that happen?
2) psychopaths that want to kill will still do it.

The thing to understand is that people that commit such atrocities are not regular folks, they're mentally deranged. The problem is that gun licenses should be given following more effective checks on the person and with mandatory conditions such as "you need to attend your local shooting range regularly", I can guarantee that weirdos will be easily spotted in this way and the authorities will be warned promptly.

[Verhängnis]

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

The thing to understand is that people that commit such atrocities are not regular folks, they're mentally deranged. The problem is that gun licenses should be given following more effective checks on the person and with mandatory conditions such as "you need to attend your local shooting range regularly", I can guarantee that weirdos will be easily spotted in this way and the authorities will be warned promptly.

This. ^^ And actually, what distinguishes a law enforcement agent owning a firearm to any other citizen? They are just as capable of going on killing sprees as the next man............

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by von Pilsner

I would have to agree, it shows his maturity level is probably not high enough to have a grown up discussion about a topic like this....

So people who disagree with your views (and that is what they are, not facts) are whiners.... Also very mature.

I own guns, but we never used assault rifles or 100 round magazines for hunting. I can understand why restricting or limiting purchase of these weapons and magazines seems reasonable as their apparent function is only to kill humans.

It's that I'm sick and tired of people that complain about gun ownership, as if that is the real problem behind violence, and not the totally lost values of modern societies.

A 100 rounds magazine is surely OTT, and frankly it's just a useless piece of accessory(I don't understand people that like slaughtering their barrels by shooting that much in a row), but how is that different from owning ten 10 rounds magazines? A trained Car-15 owner can easily reload his rifle in less than 7 seconds.

"Assault rifle" is only a designation, an MP-44 is one, but it's also an extremely sought after collectable WW2 firearm, shall we ban it just cos it can cycle rounds on a semiauto mode?