the P47 "the Unbreakable"no more

[JtD]

And if all that is too much to deal with, you can switch it off in the difficulty section.

[Mysticpuma]

Okay, so the P-47 was renowned as being a real tough bird. I posted this on the ubi forums in 2008 and if you give it the chance and download the audio file, you will here Art Fiedler of the 325th, who flew P-47's and P-51's (He was an Ace in the 51) talking about the problems that pilots encountered in the P-47 and also the fact that he never once saw a wing break of a P-51 except when an undercarriage malfunctioned.

Here is that post;

In August I travelled to the US to visit and interview Art Fiedler of the 325th Fighter Group/ 317th Fighter Squadron, and to watch the Camarillo Airshow which he helps organise.

On the final evening I was invited along to a Barbecue at Art's house, where along with Monguse, we took the chance to set up a video camera and record Art talking about some of his time in the USAAF.

After the video interview, I asked if it was okay to leave the sound recorder running while he chatted with guests at the meal, and with a beaming smile Art said "Sure!".

You'll be glad to know that I have edited away the dead space (walking around, nothing being said, etc,etc) and left in just the conversation related to his time in the USAAF.

Covered in this audio file are P-47 gunnery training, P-51 wing snapping (or lack of it), engine noise, flames on exhausts, weapon and tracer load-out, the use of long range fuel tanks as weapons, plus many other topics.

Asking most of the questions is myself, but the other voices you will here are 325th_Swoop and Monguse (he comes in right at the end asking about P-51 markings).

Guys, the audio you will hear was all recorded at a Barbecue, so there is background noise going on, but Art was fully mic'd up so when he and I talk, all the voices are very clear and the background chatter is just ambient.

The file is just under 30-minutes long, and is compressed in mp3 format, and is 26mb in file-size.

I hope you enjoy listening to Art talk about some of his incidents as much as those gathered there did, he truly is a remarkable man and it was a real honour to spend time talking with him.

The audio starts as 325th_Swoop has just told me he is 62-years old and is learning to fly a Helicopter. Art then comes over and the conversation gets going.

BTW Swoop doesn't look a day under 62 Wink (kidding..he must have had an easy life!)

Would like to hear what you think, cheers, MP.

The file can be downloaded here:

http://www.mediafire.com/?mywjimzwgjm

[FC99]

Originally Posted by Mysticpuma

Okay, so the P-47 was renowned as being a real tough bird. I posted this on the ubi forums in 2008 and if you give it the chance and download the audio file, you will here Art Fiedler of the 325th, who flew P-47's and P-51's (He was an Ace in the 51) talking about the problems that pilots encountered in the P-47 and also the fact that he never once saw a wing break of a P-51 except when an undercarriage malfunctioned.

He never saw that because pilots were not stupid enough to kill themselves for nothing. Luckily, USA planes are well documented and lot of these documents are available. When we were making G Limits model we used USA planes to calibrate the model.

If we are talking about P-51 this is snippet of what Air Technical Service Command has to say about it.

In order to reduce the possibility of structural failures of the wings on P-51D,P-51K, F-6D and F-6K, two commonly held misconceptions regarding fighter type aircraft must be corrected. These are:
a) The belief that fighter airplanes are designed to such high load factors ("G's")that they are practically indestructible by any readily applied air load.

b) That since the possible loading conditions are relatively few, that unbalance resulting in instability is impossible.

FC

[robtek]

But of course you'll wont find a RL pilot tell about wing snapping, those guys wanted to survive!
A 109 or 190 on your tail MIGHT kill you, a snapped wing WILL kill you, or at least the crate your flying.
Also those people had much, much more feedback from their rides.

[Mysticpuma]

Originally Posted by FC99

He never saw that because pilots were not stupid enough to kill themselves for nothing. Luckily, USA planes are well documented and lot of these documents are available. When we were making G Limits model we used USA planes to calibrate the model.

If we are talking about P-51 this is snippet of what Air Technical Service Command has to say about it.


FC

He flew 67 Missions and was involved in multiple combat fights with the enemy, as-were his other friends (Barrie Davis, Jack Sherbourne, Frank Mertely). The only time they ever saw a wing snap was a pilot who was carrying bombs in a P-51 (then a new tactic) in a dive and as he pulled out, the undercarriage on the right-wing 'fell-out', which soon became fixed. This put the structural integrity of the wing into a failure and the wing tore off.

I am sure there were possible occasions that a p-51 would or could lose a wing, but this was the only time any pilot of the 325th recalled seeing it happen. It was never documented in the P-47's flown by the group other than from enemy action.

I however do trust your information, mine is from pilots who flew and knew how to fly them

Cheers, MP

[Rainmaker]

Originally Posted by DrJet

Please tell me your definition of realism. Based on your argument, 190 in 4.09 was not realistic and now it is realistic? I don't understand your attitude also. In my argument, I mentioned that I did a gentle turn and still heard frame wracking sound. Does it sound that I want to dog fight with p51 with my bomb on? Don't assume that everyone would be the same as you are.

DrJet there is no point in disscusing with that guy, he is just ignorant, probably watching history channel every day

Originally Posted by mazex

They sure where capable fighters, but they where harder to get out of a fast dive than a P-47 which is what we are discusding here? The fact that they where nasty to land for an 18 year old pilot with 100 flight hours doesn't mean anything regarding their fighting capability either - it was just a boring anecdote

I am laughing my ass out on this one. LOL
Giant piece of metal P-47 can get out of a fast dive better then the Bf-109 ahhahaha.

[FC99]

Originally Posted by Mysticpuma

I however do trust your information, mine is from pilots who flew and knew how to fly them

And what do you think how Air Technical Service Command formed its opinion and issued Technical Order to all units?

Simple fact is that if you fly the plane within its limits nothing wrong will happen, obviously Art Fiedler and his friends flew the plane the way it was supposed to be flown and the same apply to the game. You will not damage your plane unless you exceed the limits but that doesn't mean that it is impossible to destroy the plane if you mishandle it.

Here are some limits for P-47

[DuxCorvan]

JtD already said:

*option switch*

But, of course, that won't please the "I-master-full-real" armchair-macho crowd.

[robtek]

Well, some play a game and some want a simulation, no reason to downsize one group.
But, as the servers compete for users, if its a option, it might get watered down to suit the most.
Not what i want, the watering down.

[mazex]

Originally Posted by Rainmaker

DrJet there is no point in disscusing with that guy, he is just ignorant, probably watching history channel every day



I am laughing my ass out on this one. LOL
Giant piece of metal P-47 can get out of a fast dive better then the Bf-109 ahhahaha.

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