Friday 2010-11-12 Dev. update and Discussion

[baronWastelan]

I'm with the cranky old lady ^ "+1" for the post count since, like her, I have nothing to contribute

[zakkandrachoff]

i don't read so much about the tail cannon smoke.
in the british 7,6 when they fire, i can't see they. but in a 20mm cannon must be.
hope oleg thing in that.

[Blakduk]

This is looking very good indeed- the animation of the rear gunner in the He111 is excellent.
Will this slow down the aiming for the gunners compared to Il2, or was this already taken into account by a simple time delay?
Once again I am learning from Oleg's company- i didn't know about the auto-destruct of german cannon shells- they really do appear to show a difference in the trajectory of the different calibre bullets.
I'm intrigued by the Ju87 video- the reflections looks hideously complex but the framerate seems reasonably smooth considering the complexity of the background as well.
Looking at the start of the 'Dover' video the texture mapping of the Spitfires looks very stripped down. Is this an example of in-game video settings that can be toned down for lower spec machines by users themselves, or merely an earlier build?
I can hardly wait to see a video showing the weather effects!

[csThor]

Two comments:

1.) Banning the swastika as it is done in Germy is not just a case of "If I don't see 'em, they don't exist". Suggesting this is insanely short-sighted. In fact banning the swastika is part of a complex of things which all are meant to give the state the means to keep the right-wing idiots under observation and slap them whenever they get too frisky. Unfortunately you can't ban idiocy and plain human stupidy so I'm afraid there'll be always people who were missing when common sense was handed out, people who actually believe that BS the neonazis spread.

Some people said that free speech is a valuable thing for a country. I agree. But I also believe that free speech ends there where other people are being directly threatened with physical harm just because of an ideology. There's a popular saying in Germany, one I very much agree with, which states "Nazism is not an opinion, it's a crime." And that isn't meant WRT the law.

2.) A few Friday updates back Luthier posted, that the russian Duma (parliament) had passed a new law months ago which also bans public display of NS symbols (mainly the swastika). The law itself is as clear as stirred mud and could be read in various ways so 1C decided not to risk anything and omit the swastika from its products. Oleg also stated that even allowing users or 3rd Party folks to add such symbols later might get 1C in trouble (in theory) but he wasn't yet sure what that would mean for the new game series.

[Necrobaron]

Originally Posted by Solnyshko

Actually no Necro you've just done the very thing you accuse Freycinet of in what can only be construed as a pretty vigorous personal attack on another forum member. And as for keeping it civil, I wouldn't congratulate yourself too quickly

The truth is this topic has been done to death again and again on this forum and elsewhere. Oleg himself has made 1C's position clear, and requested in the past that members refrain from discussing it further. Skoshi Tiger and Brando both raise good points. There are very valid reasons for not using the symbol in a game, objectively and legally.

- and it seems to have escaped the attention of most here that one of the development has team hinted, quite strongly, there just might be room to personalise the players gaming experience to their hearts content



/rant over (and back on topic I hope!)

Odd that you'd want to defend a member that has repeatedly proven to be needlessly rude and boorish, even in this very thread. I think anyone who actually was part of the discussion conducted themselves in a civil way. Maybe you should go back and read before you offer an opinion. Nothing I said was untrue.

Yes, we all know the swastika debate has been done to death. That is no revelation. Like Freycinet, if you bothered to read what was being discussed originally, it was the matter of whether or not markings can be added by 3rd party individuals. This has nothing to do with whether or not the swastika will be a default marking. I understand it won't be and said so repeatedly. As you say, there has been indication that personal markings can indeed be added and that was all I needed to know. As far as I'm concerned the matter is closed.
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[Necrobaron]

Originally Posted by csThor

Two comments:

1.) Banning the swastika as it is done in Germy is not just a case of "If I don't see 'em, they don't exist". Suggesting this is insanely short-sighted. In fact banning the swastika is part of a complex of things which all are meant to give the state the means to keep the right-wing idiots under observation and slap them whenever they get too frisky. Unfortunately you can't ban idiocy and plain human stupidy so I'm afraid there'll be always people who were missing when common sense was handed out, people who actually believe that BS the neonazis spread.

Some people said that free speech is a valuable thing for a country. I agree. But I also believe that free speech ends there where other people are being directly threatened with physical harm just because of an ideology. There's a popular saying in Germany, one I very much agree with, which states "Nazism is not an opinion, it's a crime." And that isn't meant WRT the law.

2.) A few Friday updates back Luthier posted, that the russian Duma (parliament) had passed a new law months ago which also bans public display of NS symbols (mainly the swastika). The law itself is as clear as stirred mud and could be read in various ways so 1C decided not to risk anything and omit the swastika from its products. Oleg also stated that even allowing users or 3rd Party folks to add such symbols later might get 1C in trouble (in theory) but he wasn't yet sure what that would mean for the new game series.

I don't blame them at all. Their hands seem tied.
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[WTE_Galway]

ah yes THAT boring old debate again

the truth ...

http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Swastika

The swastika, based on Japanese shuriken, was invented by the Buddhists in the 1950s, and was used in their campaign to make Buddhism more interesting and more offensive. The swastika was originally a stylized Iron Cross, used by the Buddhists to inject Nazi chic into their statues and scriptures. The swastika was later used, in the 1980s and beyond, by Neo-Nazis in areas where the Iron Cross was banned from use. Ironically, the swastika is today considered more offensive than the Iron Cross, except in Austria where it is used as a peace symbol.

Germans and other Nazis refer to the swastika as a Hakenkreuz (hooker cross), because of its association with hookers, prostitutes and whores. The word swastika is banned in Germany because of its non-Germanic origins.

btw ... in reality, the swastika is also banned in other countries including Hungary, Poland and Brazil, not just the Soviet Union and Germany.

[Flanker35M]

S!

Finland still has the "hakaristi" or swastika in their Air Force flags and no-one has complained except the French There is a big difference though between the NSDAP used one and the one we have. A certain moustache man had not even founded his "ideals" when Finland had this emblem painted on the FiAF planes since 1918. The emblem was from Count Von Rosen, Sweden. Had been his personal lucky charm, originaly from India where it had been used for some 2000+ years in this purpose.

The roundel we have now is after war when the Allies said a hakaristi can not be left on planes so thus the change.

Now, let's let the dead horse finally rotten away

[SaQSoN]

Originally Posted by WTE_Galway

btw ... in reality, the swastika is also banned in other countries including Hungary, Poland and Brazil, not just the Soviet Union and Germany.

Actually, in the Soviet Union it was not banned by the law. Instead, the propaganda of Nazism was banned. So, one couldn't use swastika for that purpose, but freely could do that in historical or cultural context.

The ban law was adopted in Russia just about a year ago, as their government attempt to be "closer to the international community". Yet, for some reason no one told them, that stupidly coping a stupid ideas is no good at all...

[furbs]

Hope Oleg reads this far...

Anyway, Oleg i know 3D vision is not going to be in BOB, but are there any plans to have it in the future?

has anyone tried 3D vision in a flightsim and how did it look and feel?