Friday 2010-11-12 Dev. update and Discussion

[Abbeville-Boy]

when the game gets hacked swastika will appear

[Necrobaron]

Originally Posted by The Kraken

Actually it was the allies, in late 1945. Blame them



This is primarily a legal and also a political issue. It has nothing to do with reason and common sense. That's why all these discussions here are completely pointless. Each and every argument has already been exchanged 10 years ago with Il2 and before that, with other sims.

And if user-made emblems are possible then it's a non-issue anyway.

I was just referring what Brando had said. I'd imagine Germany has had many opportunities to repeal such restrictions if they so chose to. I also understand that common sense and reason has nothing to do with this. That is the problem. It's completely idiotic to think that by banning a symbol, the idealogy will go away. If the German people and others allow it, the idealogy will flourish, swastika or not.


You are right that if user made emblems are indeed possible, everything is a moot point.

Originally Posted by Freycinet

Dear me, the swastika debate.... yawn.

Oh, poor Freycinet. I think we've wasted his valuable time. Funny since it seems he has taken it upon himself to be the defacto thread police, making snarky, useless and needlessly critical comments towards others. If he had taken the time to try and read the debate at hand rather than coming up with his usual dribble, he would see that the original point was regarding whether or not 3rd parties could add their own markings, swastikas included. The inability to add custom markings was a new possibility that had not been brought up before.

Anyway, with that said, I think my point has been made and will leave this topic be. Thanks for the civil discussion guys. It didn't snowball as badly as I feared it might.
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[322Sqn_Dusty]

Originally Posted by major_setback

Real-time reflections?

Is there a good chance that the reflection is also suggested? Like the reflection of the pilot in the instruments? Maybe you can catch the next frame or 2 and use them besides? Nice capture btw. Stunning looks.

[The Kraken]

Originally Posted by 322Sqn_Dusty

Is there a good chance that the reflection is also suggested? Like the reflection of the pilot in the instruments? Maybe you can catch the next frame or 2 and use them besides? Nice capture btw. Stunning looks.

The scene in the video is paused so it's impossible to say (I was wondering as well). However a real-time reflection of the environment is no rocket science; Lock On for example does it since years. Not really different from water reflections or rear view mirrors (of course, with the respective performance impact ). So it's quite possible that this will be an option.

On the other hand the effect will be much more subtle in the release version, so a high-quality realtime reflection is probably overkill.

[Afreaka]

Very beautiful play of lighting on the first video of the Stuka. Well tempered. As it was precisely the kind of video snippet I was anticipating. It looks good.
Now I can ponder what system will drive that kind of work.

[bf-110]

THe promo trailer is simply epic!
The big capital text "NEW WWII COMBAT SIMULATION" and "FROM THE CREATORS OF AWARD-WINNING IL-2 STURMOVIK" with spitfires flying behind it was...man....can make you cry.

[Solnyshko]

Originally Posted by Necrobaron

Oh, poor Freycinet. I think we've wasted his valuable time. Funny since it seems he has taken it upon himself to be the defacto thread police, making snarky, useless and needlessly critical comments towards others.....


Thanks for the civil discussion guys. It didn't snowball as badly as I feared it might.

Actually no Necro you've just done the very thing you accuse Freycinet of in what can only be construed as a pretty vigorous personal attack on another forum member. And as for keeping it civil, I wouldn't congratulate yourself too quickly

The truth is this topic has been done to death again and again on this forum and elsewhere. Oleg himself has made 1C's position clear, and requested in the past that members refrain from discussing it further. Skoshi Tiger and Brando both raise good points. There are very valid reasons for not using the symbol in a game, objectively and legally.

- and it seems to have escaped the attention of most here that one of the development has team hinted, quite strongly, there just might be room to personalise the players gaming experience to their hearts content

Originally Posted by MuxaHuk

there is special build-in markings editor in MainMenu->Extras.
Just two clicks, have fun

/rant over (and back on topic I hope!)

[MD_Titus]

Originally Posted by Freycinet

Yes, why don't we ask him to spend an afternoon on entertaining you...?

get out of bed the wrong side?

Originally Posted by Splitter

Nope, you are right. That sort of censorship is silly but those countries can do what they like. I'm a bit miffed that I have to be subject to laws that don't pertain to me.

I don't REALLY care if it is there or not, but since there is no good reason for it to be omitted then it's wrong to not have it in an otherwise historically accurate sim. The ability for a third party to add them should not be curtailed.

But maybe even having that ability is a violation of the law in some countries. I suspect that is the case and why the developer will not allow such third party skins. If that's the case then I see it as those countries imposing their moral will on other countries.

Splitter

i believe that is the case. it's illegal in germany and, iirc, a newly introduced law in russia. it's the newness of this law that is part of the problem, in that no one is quite sure to what extent it is to be applied.

Originally Posted by Triggaaar

+1 on that part. I respect the decision of countries not to show a symbol, but it is a pity if their decision impacts on others. Particularly given that the subject is those countries committing atrocities against the countries their decisions are now affecting.

A simple switch (markings on/off) may be banned, but they obviously can't ban the ability for a third party to paint skins (they could ban those third parties from making certain skins available in their country, though that can be hard to police). To ban the ability to make skins would be like banning pen and paper. There’s no reason why the publishers can’t produce the game with historical markings, but only sell censored copies in countries with a ban on Nazi symbols.

again, it may be that as it is made in russia that the feature cannot eevn be in the code. that or having it in censored distribution packs would mean the law could be violated by that company's product being imported from a source that sells the uncensored version. then there's also the hot coffee thing with GTA san andreas, i think they got fined for that bit of hidden code being found and exploited.

Originally Posted by Freycinet

Dear me, the swastika debate.... yawn.

...and back to bed

Originally Posted by Abbeville-Boy

when the game gets hacked swastika will appear

may that be when the next sim is being developed.

[LukeFF]

Originally Posted by Freycinet

Dear me, the swastika debate.... yawn.

+1

[LukeFF]

Oleg, how will player control of the bombsight be handled? Will it be like it is in IL2, where it's the pilot and not the bombardier?