A pilot compares cockpits between the Spitfire and the 109

[Robotic Pope]

I remember someone posted these videos on the IL-2 1946 forum a few months back. lol it started up a big Spitfire pilots V 109 piliots Forum WAR!

[flynlion]

Originally Posted by bobbysocks

the 37mm in the p39 and some of the yaks is just about as intimidating. they must have shook the plane like hell.

besides the cockpit the biggest drawback of the 109s were they had no trim tabs! that surprised the heck out of me when i read that. that means you had to provide rudder pressure to some degree or another. after flying you would have one sore leg....after months you would have one leg that looked like Popeye's arm! and to fly several sorties a day???!!!

The 109 had elevator trim, that was one of the few things that the guy in Foz's videos liked about it. Rudder and aileron trim would be nice as well but not vital, especially in a plane with well harmonized controls and short endurance like the 109. The tiny cockpit would be my biggest gripe but I'm 6'5" and 200 lbs LoL

[Davedog74]

what about this one

[winny]

Originally Posted by Davedog74

what about this one

The molins gun, (basically a 6 pounder artillery round) only used by Coastal Command. Could seriously ruin a U-Boats day.

There is record of a Ju-88 being hit by one of these rounds and being blown to very small bits.

[Gilly]

Originally Posted by winny

The molins gun, (basically a 6 pounder artillery round) only used by Coastal Command. Could seriously ruin a U-Boats day.

There is record of a Ju-88 being hit by one of these rounds and being blown to very small bits.

and here is said video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QndLm...e_gdata_player

Also a nice one of mossies attacking shipping in Norway. Kavs mentioned this a wish for BoS. They have the mountains and valleys from apache, change the ground to water and away we go!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BouP...e_gdata_player

[Zatoichi_Sanjuro]

Originally Posted by Gilly

It was on during the BoB series late last year. Think it was either 'the gathering storm' or the 'south coast trail'. BBC history website should have them both somewhere although BBC 4 are repeating a fair few at the minute.

www.bbc.co.uk/history/battle_of_britain

Great video on there of Douggie Bader and Paddy Barthrop in a bar discussing the BoB. Bader answers the question of 'what did you think of them as you dived in for attack' with beautiful aplomb!!!

Thanks, found it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDDeLRy7UM0

Armament comparison:
http://youtu.be/A8FsRU0fv_A#t=7m25s

Originally Posted by Cryptic Phant0m

Here is an image that was posted before on 1C forums. http://i970.photobucket.com/albums/a...ullets-ww2.jpg

[bobbysocks]

Originally Posted by flynlion

The 109 had elevator trim, that was one of the few things that the guy in Foz's videos liked about it. Rudder and aileron trim would be nice as well but not vital, especially in a plane with well harmonized controls and short endurance like the 109. The tiny cockpit would be my biggest gripe but I'm 6'5" and 200 lbs LoL

my bad, i didnt clarify. i was talking rudder trim....hence my comment about having 1 east german female olympic luge driver's thigh. aileron trim... i have never flew anything that needed it. so that i cant comment about.
let me explain trim a bit. you have 2 types....basically 1) you can set "on the fly" and 2)"preset". "on the fly" the pilot has a knob or wheel they can adjust inflight as they change attitude and throttle. if you set your throttle to 75% and have a 1000 feet per minute climb you can dial your elevator trim to give you that rate of climb and then your rudder trim to keep you on your heading. the plane will fly that course and climb "hands off" the yoke...well plus or minus a bit. the other, "preset", is basically a piece of tin or aluminum riveted to the flight control ( elevator or rudder) that you must BEND (set) by hand while the plane is on the ground. this takes numerous flights by the pilot who flies the plane to get it to the point where he, personally, wants it to be....according to the setting he uses the majority of the time. you can see in combat where ac are shared by several pilots...that's this useless. and you can see where "on the fly" would give you a happy medium where it would take less pressure in most situations.
torque makes the plane want to dive and turn to the side the prop is spinning. the air displacement of the area of the wings counter act the tenancy to roll for the most part. BUT the area of the fuselage is generally much smaller in proportion...so the main effect of torque experienced is yaw...the nose going right or left. that can only be countered by increased rudder...or rudder trim. personally, i would rather not have elevator trim and have rudder trim. the reason i say that is....with a stick or yoke you have more leverage....AND if your one arm gets tired you can switch hands to the other easily. with the rudder....you must keep pressing the pedal ( which doesnt have the leverage like the stick) with one leg and one leg only. major charlie horse..trust me. i love the 109 but it had to beat the snot out of the boys flying it.
and yep at your stature..you would have been a sardine in that cockpit...but i am sure you would have loved it. it was made for young boys not us old farts.

[flynlion]

Ha! I'm an ex airline pilot with over 12,000 hours, somewhat familiar with trim tabs. I refuse to call myself an old fart but then I aint no young pup either LoL.

[bobbysocks]

i's say you do have a way better understanding of them than I. who did you fly for and what kind of equipment are you checked out in?

[flynlion]

Originally Posted by bobbysocks

i's say you do have a way better understanding of them than I. who did you fly for and what kind of equipment are you checked out in?

I was a Captain on both the Crj 900 and the Emb 145 Regional Jets, stuck it out with the commuters for 10 years before I got fed up and quit the industry (don’t ask). Before that I had several gigs where I flew a variety of AC, from light singles to twins to float planes to corporate jets.

So I’m a pilot who likes video games. I sometimes look at the professional pilot forums but to be honest, all those guys seem to do is bitch and this place is a lot more fun. And I’ve learned a lot here. You guys know more about computer software in general and gaming in particular than I ever will. I never would have bothered with BoP if you guys hadn’t recommended it because frankly, I thought the demo sucked, and now it’s my favorite game. So anywho now if I see a thread about “real” aircraft or how real world flying compares to BoP, I figure I might as well add my 2 cents (for what its worth).

I’ve flown dozens of AC without rudder trim and yes your leg gets tired but it’s really not that big a deal. I kinda laughed when a saw your previous post because I had just worked a full day flying a crop duster with no rudder trim, and I’m not a young pup anymore LoL. I’ve never flown anything without elevator trim nor would I want to, poor pitch control can ruin your whole day.