The new bomb fuzing needs to be an option.

[KG26_Alpha]

Keep on track guys please.

I've cleaned up the thread a bit.
And lets keep it friendly too from now on.

[Flying Pencil]

While not a priority on my list, I agree, the ability to change the fusing is important.

[robtek]

Originally Posted by Flying Pencil

While not a priority on my list, I agree, the ability to change the fusing is important.

Fusing or arming???

[Flying Pencil]

Originally Posted by robtek

Fusing or arming???

Did I miss something?
The type of fuse will dictate when it will arm, and what will set it off (impact, time delay, disarming, even magnetic for mines)

[swiss]

Ok, I conducted some test tonight - although I can skip bomb now, I found out the fuses not only have a 2sec delay but also a 20m cap.

I tried this with the arado at 20m/750kph about 20 times.
The bomb definitely has >=2 secs before it touches the water, however the the bomb stayed disarmed in 100%.
Maybe my stopwatch is wrong... - if not, maybe TD can (or feels like) explain it?

DL ntrk from rapidshare

[RAF_Swede]

Hello
I would sure like to see a track on how to properly skip bomb now.. If someone has posted one, please point me in the right direction.
Thanks

[Aviar]

Originally Posted by swiss

Ok, I conducted some test tonight - although I can skip bomb now, I found out the fuses not only have a 2sec delay but also a 20m cap.

I tried this with the arado at 20m/750kph about 20 times.
The bomb definitely has >=2 secs before it touches the water, however the the bomb stayed disarmed in 100%.
Maybe my stopwatch is wrong... - if not, maybe TD can (or feels like) explain it?

DL ntrk from rapidshare

Well, for what it's worth, this is directly from the 4.10 User Guide:

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This also applies to skip bombing: the bomb must be dropped from at least 25m and must not hit the ship before 2 seconds.
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Aviar

[Ernst]

I am loving. Is very difficult to suceed. Now i am feeling the odds of the fighter-bomb pilots like the real guys feel. Most of complains is because the guys are not suceeding like they did.

I do it (correct skip bombing and hit) only 30% of the times. I skiped i correctly and explode 80% of the times, but sometimes i missed the target. My bombing run is at about 50~80 meters. Bomb explode quite often.

If skip bombig was too easy like 4.09 the dive bombers were unecessary, specially at land targets. Now Stukas and other dive bombers ll make the difference they did do not made until now in IL2, since with this new feature i would prefer high angle dive bombing for precision.

[6S.Manu]

Originally Posted by Ernst

I am loving. Is very difficult to suceed. Now i am feeling the odds of the fighter-bomb pilots like the real guys feel. Most of complains is because the guys are not suceeding like they did.

I do it (correct skip bombing and hit) only 30% of the times. I skiped i correctly and explode 80% of the times, but sometimes i missed the target. My bombing run is at about 50~80 meters. Bomb explode quite often.

If skip bombig was too easy like 4.09 the dive bombers were unecessary, specially at land targets. Now Stukas and other dive bombers ll make the difference they did do not made until now in IL2, since with this new feature i would prefer high angle dive bombing for precision.

This + the wind; in IL2 4.10 it's very amusing using bombers, far more than before.
Have you tried level bombing from 5000m with 3 m/s of wind?

To me IL2 4.10 is like a new (better) game.

[JHartikka]

Pilots Wished Bomb SALVO Fix - Got a Forced Delay 410m Fuse Instead!

Originally Posted by JG53Frankyboy

i also thinking that adding this arming time for the bombfuze was the last thing this game needed

With all respect to the fine voluntary work for developing this fine historical IL2 flight simulator I certainly must agree with you!

The IL2 sim used to have very finely made simulation for low bombing modes prior to 410m! The bomb actually bounced or slided in these simulations on the ground like the wartime expert low bombing 'jabo' pilots performed it, for instance!

As a virtual bomber pilot familiar with real history of delay low bombing styles like slide / bounce bombing it is very regrettable that we the 410m now denies these most exciting and skill demanding bombing modes.

Originally Posted by JtD

German fuses were timed and the ones used for low level horizontal attack used arming times of about 1s and delay settings of 14s. Note that due to the technical characteristics of the fuse the "save" arming time was about 1.6s minimum, lower than that would be risking duds.

Thank you for information! Here is a description that appears to match and supplement your fuse knowledge:


The Wartime German Bomb Fuse with Switchable Safety Delay

A story I recalled from Finnish wartime recollections about German bombs electric fuse. The big German bombs were known to have an electric fuse with safety delay option. It was rather simple yet versatile.

It could be used in automatic 'safety delay mode' (like the forced 410m fuse) or manually in no safety delay mode (quite unlike the forced 410m fuse). It even allowed arming and disarming bomb and switching safety delay on or off during flight.

I have understood that these electric fuses were used with bombers having crew more than on person so the one responsible for bomb release could control bomb arming and disarming. The cases I have collected from my country about small bombs like fighter bombs indicate that these had no safety delay.


German Electric Fuse Circuit Description

There were two capacitors in the German electric bomb fuse circuit. The first capacitor was the one charged from aircraft. It was connected to second actual fuse capacitor through a delay resistor between them.

When capacitor nr. 1 got a charge from a connector attached to the bomb, it would start charge the nr. 2 capacitor through the resistor which slowed the charging and thus caused an arming delay or safety delay. I guess the 410m 2 s safety fuse is related to those bombs having this electric fuse arming mode?

Knowing the capacitor 1 - resistor - capacitor 2 - electric fuse circuit we can now understand the operating modes of this German electric bomb fuse:


Electric Fuse Operating Modes

1. Automatic Safety Delay: When used as automatic, an electric connector attached through a swiveled arm to the bomb would give the capacitor nr. 1 electric charge shot just before the connector attached to a swiveled arm would be ripped off from the falling bomb. Now the bomb would be armed in free fall after the actual fusecapacitor nr. 2 would be charged through the resistor causing the automatic arming safety delay.

2. Manual arm and disarm from onboard: If the bomber staff person responsible for bombing gives the bomb a charge shot prior to releasing a bomb, it will arm itself in the alleged time and when released later, it will drop with no safety delay. He could also decide to disarm the bomb by shortcircuiting the bomb arming circuit. When shortcircuited, the arming capacitor nr 2 would bleed empty from charge through the delay resistor in about the time of the safety delay and the bomb would be disarmed again.

We see that this kind of electric bomb fuse circuit would allow the bomber crew to arm and disarm any bomb connected to onboard arming circuit and release the bomb either disarmed or armed. Further, this bomb arming circuit gave the crew an option to decide whether to use safety delay or not..! Alas, we virtual bomber pilots were not allowed to decide setting safety delay on or off with the rather incorrect 410m fuse...


Regards,

- J. Hartikka -

Finland


First Line HL Pilots about 410m Bomb Fuse

In this thread, we will discuss in proper civilized manner, of course. However, I guess that on the long run regarding developing this historical sim further it may be useful to get some direct user feedback, too. Here are some excerpts from HL pager discussions to tell how noted 'front line' virtual pilots really feel with the flawed 410m fuse. For obvious reasons I am pasting their feelings here incognito:

Originally Posted by Experienced virtual war ace in HL pager

...cause low bombing in 4.10 has just be f##### up

I tried to bomb some tgts w Pe-3 at ~ 150m, low level bombing, and bombs didnt even explode...whats the height limit for dropping?!

Originally Posted by A very skilled virtual war ace in HL pager

i was told about 4.10
)))
*full ##iiiiiit* for bombers and jabo..agree?

Originally Posted by A virtual bomber pilot and history expert in HL pager

nain ne meittia kohtelee kuin spitaalisia))

Translated: They treat us (bomber pilots) like ve vere leprous ))

Originally Posted by Respected virtual war player in HL pager

####### 4.10 noob patch-((

Originally Posted by HL pager

Fortunately the new 410m '##### fuse' does not prevent all low bombing...

One IL2 kills 14 tanks + 1 flak

http://war.by-airforce.com/rep/rep_10122.html

Wartime Aircraft Photos

Here are more photos that I scanned from my late uncle's album. More old photos are on threads http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthr...d=1#post210220 and http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthr...588#post216588