Why no E4s

[ATAG_MajorBorris]

If all things are equal when two planes meet, there respective performance will favor the superior flight model but thats a fight that shouldnt be picked imho.

Back on topic: The short answer to why certain plane's are not in server1, because to many people fight about it.

[CaptainDoggles]

Originally Posted by ATAG_Snapper

Don't be misleading yourself. The 109 can bunt into a dive and regain the initiative.

No, it cannot. It can bunt into a dive and return to base if and only if the Spit 2 pilot doesn't feel like chasing the 109 down, otherwise the Spit2 pilot only needs patience.

Currently the E3 can easily outclimb, outdive, outshoot, and outrun the Hurricane Rotol -- yet you overlooked that, too.

I didn't overlook that, because the Hurri and Spit 1a both have a sustained and instantaneous turn advantage over the 109. I also find it funny you mention climb rate, since the E-3 climbs better than the E-4. Should the E-3 be banned too?

What will you do when the Battle of Moscow expansion comes out and you have to rely on turn performance against the faster, better-armed Fw 190? Substitute the Yaks for Spitfires?

The Red pilots don't complain about it; they learn to adapt and fly better as a result.

Are you kidding? What servers are you flying where Red pilots aren't whining about cannons nonstop?

Edit: Sorry for dragging this off topic, I just can't stomach hypocrisy.

[ATAG_Snapper]

Hypocrisy? We happen to disagree but there's no call for insults, Captain Doggles.
I was sincere in my arguments and mistakenly thought you were likewise dealing in good faith.

[CaptainDoggles]

Originally Posted by ATAG_Snapper

Hypocrisy? We happen to disagree but there's no call for insults, Captain Doggles.
I was sincere in my arguments and mistakenly thought you were likewise dealing in good faith.

When confronted with an argument that you can't refute, ignore it and make an appeal to emotion.

Standard.

[ATAG_Snapper]

Very true. Are you capable of discussion without resorting to insults?

[CaptainDoggles]

Originally Posted by ATAG_Snapper

Very true. Are you capable of discussion without resorting to insults?

Hey listen, sorry you took it as an insult.

But I'm not going to retract the statement. I find it hypocritical to understate the advantages that the spit 2a has over the 109s, while in the same breath overstate the advantages that the 109s have over the Spit 1a and Hurri, and to neglect entirely the advantages that the Hurri and Spit 1a have over the 109s.

If you're interested in actually addressing the facts, then great.

Should the E-3 be banned? It climbs better than the E-4.

What will happen when Blue gets the Fw 190 and Red again has a turn advantage but not a speed or firepower advantage?

[VO101_Tom]

Originally Posted by ATAG_Snapper

The Spit IIa has a bit of an FM advantage; in the right hands the E4 is nearly equal in FM and has a huge firepower advantage.

Come on, it's a bullxxxx. The FM will remain the same even if the pilot is an idiot. Anyone, who ever fly with 1v1 know, that the IIa far better plane than any other in the game.

I fly on ATAG regularly, the greatest disadvantage of the red side the red pilots (and the lack of situation awareness). Who fly on deck to france, because he regretted the time to climb. Who flying alone because no any teamwork. Who only looks forward, and fly straight, Who just chasing one german, instead of climb, and protecting the others, no matter how many red are front of him. Who climbs without any chance to catch the enemy, but it becomes a perfect target, and so on. They are slaughtered within minutes, no matter what weapons are allowed in the Messerschmitt.

[trumps]

Well Richie, i am guessing that after following how this thread is quickly degenerating you can see why the measures taken by those running servers has been done so

Craig

[CaptainDoggles]

Some people just don't want to face the facts

I hope Snapper isn't one of them.

[ATAG_Snapper]

Originally Posted by trumps

Well Richie, i am guessing that after following how this thread is quickly degenerating you can see why the measures taken by those running servers has been done so

Craig

Precisely.