109 e3b against spitfire II

[Grand_Armee]

Surely there has to be some limit to the amount of incendiary/tracer you can load? Eh, what am I thinking about. Sense?

[CaptainDoggles]

There's also the argument to be made for the eventual completeness of the plane set.

Being able to do proper Spanish Civil war scenarios, for example.

[Grand_Armee]

That would take a lot of planes. Would be cool, though. Cr-42, I-15, He-51...what other kind of stuff could we learn to argue FM's about? LOL

Yep...lotta work there...even if you were only covering the early monoplanes.

[335th_GRAthos]

Very nice post ICDP,

Just on that sentence

Originally Posted by ICDP

Or ban the Spitfire Mk IIa and watch the domination swing way in favour for the 109E because the Spitfire and Hurricane Mk Is have performance that is even further from reality than that of the CoD 109E.

I think we are very far from the Bf109 having an advantage to their favour.

Most fly "crappy" (I beg for forgiveness for this comment). Bf pilots can not Boom & Zoom which is the only thing the Bf109 was good at, because of three deadly parameters:
#1: No usable propeller pitch: congrats to the guys which made it "historically correct" and screwed up probably 99% percent of Bf pilots to that day. May God (ehem Oleg...) punish them by letting them stick to this Bf flight model for the next five years!
I admit I am subjective here, please read under 99 percent just myself, I stopped flying Bf and flying Spits, so it is a strictly private opinion/ it is mine and I will have to live with it (and I can, by not flying Bf109 any more).

2. Head movement restriction in gunsight mode makes a Bf109 pilot not been able to track the opponent while manouvering verticaly and aim for deflection shots at the same time ("lose sight, lose fight").
I spend seven years of my life flying Bf109 exclusively in IL2FB only to find myself unable to dogfight and shoot in a Bf109 in CoD
May God punish Luthier by having him dogfight non-stop in Bf109 gunsight mode for the next five years...

3. To add insult to injury(point #2): Poor graphics performance and smaller airplane size (maybe it is my subjective opinion) make difficult to recognise and track and airplane with the ground as background. Since the only way for the Bf109 to win a fight is on the vertical, it is much more difficult to track the enemy in CoD than in IL2FB.
My heart is full of condolence when I see these poor SODs in their Bf online, losing sight of me and by the time they have regained situational awareness my Spit is already behind them, and then game over. I can not even feel proud of shooting down Bf109s nowadays


Just my 2cts, I am sorry if I sound bitter, I am honestly not, I am more sarcastic than serious, now that I jumped the fence (and switched to Spit) my problem is solved and I enjoy the game. And hope for the best...with the patch, in three days

~S~

[TomcatViP]

resume of above edit :

Q: Why the 109 is useless against Spit II
A(s):
a/It's historical fact
b/we got crappy FM and the Spit hve to get the 12lbthat & that thing (that I miiss from IL2 )
c/ (added certainly to makes good figure) Oh ..; by the way the Hurri shld also get the 12lb eng

and so on and so on ...

C'mon guys : there was no 12lb Spits - there was AN EMERGENCY SWITCH in SOME of the plane based in england !
The Merlin XX did get 9lb boost and it was an after BoB engine
The FM of the Spits is simply surrealistic even for the MkI
This is not the number (perf achieved ) it's in the way it can turn and climb (E grabber) - TAKE TIME to fly in ALL the planes we hve for now: IT'S SO OBVIOUS !

So pls be constructive not selfish and don't touch the superb FM we hve for now for both the Hurri and the 109 to fit your own expectation.

Those men were brave. There were not in anyway counting on any X-men to fight for their freedom.

[ZaltysZ]

Originally Posted by 335th_GRAthos

2. Head movement restriction in gunsight mode makes a Bf109 pilot not been able to track the opponent while manouvering verticaly and aim for deflection shots at the same time ("lose sight, lose fight").

Then don't use gunsight mode.

[VO101_Tom]

Originally Posted by ICDP

I am aware of this, I was responding to VO101_Tom's post on the 109E3 in the Spanish Civil war. Upon re-reading his post I now realise that he meant the current CoD 109E3 is actually performing closer to the very early 109E3 as it was configured in early 1939 (i.e. pre-war). If this was his point then I agree, though the 109E and early Mk I Spitfires and Hurricanes are actually performing slower than they should even for this period.

Yes, it was. Partially.

E-3 enters in service early '39 in Spain. If this would not be enough, ingame performance less than should be (especially in high altitude), bacause of weak modelled engine. Early Spit and Hurri have same problem, but its irrelevant to E-3b vs Spit II question, bacause Spit IIa has no problem like this.

The other thing, we miss what the German engineers developed until one and a half years (at least till aug '40, when Spit II enters service, but its far from end of BOB). Nothing important, only new engines, 100 octane fuel, MG-FF/M gun with mine effect ammo, automatic cooling and PP system. Luthier promised it already, that if not all of them, but we receive some things of these... (We hope, not in Battle of Moscow dvd )

[Ivan Fooker]

I am actually a Spit flyer....
By all those comments i jumped into the Bf109 to ckeck it myself....
FFS...i can understand each pilot "whining" due a Bf109 in CloD.
It feels like the hurricane Mk1 in Il2FB.
Totally unstable in slow flight, turning like a Bf109G10 in Il2FB.
The revi is almost useless in hectic dogfights.

All your comments above are much more detailed for sure.
Nevertheless i can understand, if just a few pilots are fancy flying a Bf109 on servers, coz it feels like XXXX
Hopefully sth gets changed in the next patch in the Bf109FM, as i am not interested to fly a 5:1 (red:blue) on servers.

[335th_GRAthos]

Originally Posted by ZaltysZ

Then don't use gunsight mode.

I presume you fly Bf109 all the time without gunsight mode so, I respect your experience (and hope there is more Bf109 pilots which share the same point of view).

Unfortunately, my LCD screen is too precious and I will not stick a chewing gum in the centre to compensate for the REVI... comedian!

[VO101_Tom]

With TrackIR, i can fly without gunsight mode (i have to...). Anyway i fly with 90 FOV in dogfight, all time. But took time while I got used to it
I dont know how can dogfighting anyone withouth trackir, or freetrack...