and.. Why not Armée de l´air and low countryes next?

Originally Posted by csThor

Pardon the frank speech but both online and the "human factor" are grossly overrated. Unless you have a tight-knit bunch of people with exactly the same ideas about gameplay you get inflated egos, dogfight fixation, an underlying sportive contest menthality and not to forget little more than a steady gangbang. I rather cope with the faults of the AI - which will at least fly everything I put it into without moaning and whining and demanding "fairness" - than waste my precious freetime on an online environment that doesn't give me anything ... except a headache.

Just getting on comms with guys on your team will eliminate 90% of your concerns here. Syndicate server for the win!

[Kakashi]

Originally Posted by Formula88

Yeah great, more allied planes that will just get owned by the 109's. Single player is for people who are scared of a real fight, I want to see more planes worth flying against real people in multiplayer so I say this idea is just awful.
Of course, I will keep saying that about every idea until I see a P-47, P-51 or P-38 on this list so as you can tell I'm pretty biased.

The sooner I get to see one or more of the planes listed above in the sim, and their FM accurately portrayed, the happier and more enthusiastic I will be. Right now with the Spitfire versus 109 fights it seems that anytime I run across a single 109 in my single Spitfire and try to engage the 109 pilots just run away... Completely boring. Try outrunning a 47 or 38 ya little sissy bastards! Yeah but anyways, in case you havent already noticed, I wont be happy until I can look out of my cockpit and see the USAF decals on my wings.

Actually I heard the Devoitine 520 was pretty good, and quite a match against bf 109s. Though slower, they were more maneuverable.

Originally Posted by julien673

lol bf109 vs p47 or p38....Did you know why they have bomber role .... more then figther role... ??? Its will be easy . By the way p51 wasn t so good to for dog fight. American are good for number, not quality, like cars..... German rule ... lol jk

P47s were not that good for dogfights indeed, in the beginning when pilots first started playing around with it... But eventually it became deadly at high altitudes and when the US pilots new what to do with it, it became quite good. Especially for B-17 escort girls !

[Gerfaut]

Originally Posted by csThor

Pardon the frank speech but both online and the "human factor" are grossly overrated. Unless you have a tight-knit bunch of people with exactly the same ideas about gameplay you get inflated egos, dogfight fixation, an underlying sportive contest menthality and not to forget little more than a steady gangbang. I rather cope with the faults of the AI - which will at least fly everything I put it into without moaning and whining and demanding "fairness" - than waste my precious freetime on an online environment that doesn't give me anything ... except a headache.

+1
Couldn't agree more.
I don't bother contesting with childish egos on dogfight servers, the most interesting part from my perspective is to fly combat aircraft featuring highly detailed - 3d, FM, DM, AI, nav, com, sound, visual, ammo models and recreate tactical situations which tend too be historically accurate : no never ending dogfight or the like on a stamp-sized map, which has definitely nothing to do with historical accuracy.

[Wutz]

Originally Posted by csThor

Pardon the frank speech but both online and the "human factor" are grossly overrated. Unless you have a tight-knit bunch of people with exactly the same ideas about gameplay you get inflated egos, dogfight fixation, an underlying sportive contest menthality and not to forget little more than a steady gangbang. I rather cope with the faults of the AI - which will at least fly everything I put it into without moaning and whining and demanding "fairness" - than waste my precious freetime on an online environment that doesn't give me anything ... except a headache.

+1 on that, even though I am mainly a online flier, but those "inflated egos" and "wanna be commander-in-chiefs" on coms are a pain in the butt, for me always a reason to stay off coms unless certain people are online, otherwise coms, thanks but no thanks.....listing to screaming kids is not what I call, a good pass time. Not even going to mention the way these people fly either.
As no matter what flight sim, the vast majority don´t give a hoot about missions or objectives, but just want to gangbang. Fine for those that like that. But there are also plenty that have a differant view on that, even though they seldom voice their views here. The only common ground is the flight sim, thats it. But certainly not wishing to spend time with such people with which there is just one single common point.

As to the original topic yes I would be all for more early war scenarios, but I fear as usual the kids who just care about their late war hot rods will get their wishes heard again, and the others will most likely have to find something else.
My time is too precious to spend it with inflated egos, and gangbanging hot rod freaks.

[JG53Frankyboy]

but at least one cant say that the 'possible' "Battle of Moskau" scenario is full of 'late war monsters'

there are a lot of possible "crap planes" and there will be lot of possibilites for mudmoving i will just miss the possible shipattacks that would be possible with a 41 or (for the Spitfire pilots ) 42 MTO scenario. Not to speak about carrier operations with the FAA
and as a Martlet (as a Grumman product ) might be questionable, i can see Fulmars, SeaHurricanes and Swordfishes for that !!
perhaps in 5 years from now on....

[Insuber]

Originally Posted by csThor

Pardon the frank speech but both online and the "human factor" are grossly overrated. Unless you have a tight-knit bunch of people with exactly the same ideas about gameplay you get inflated egos, dogfight fixation, an underlying sportive contest menthality and not to forget little more than a steady gangbang. I rather cope with the faults of the AI - which will at least fly everything I put it into without moaning and whining and demanding "fairness" - than waste my precious freetime on an online environment that doesn't give me anything ... except a headache.

OK for DF servers, but one cannot put in the same basket dogfight servers and coop/virtual wars. There is nothing better in the simulated world, imo, than the online experience with a squad. Never had more fun than flying online missions, with well known and trusted mates, against people sharing the same sportly and fair approach.

Cheers,
Insuber (proud member of 6° Stormo )

[csThor]

I've tried that as well ... Same issues as outlined above.

[Rattlehead]

Originally Posted by Insuber

There is nothing better in the simulated world, imo, than the online experience with a squad. Never had more fun than flying online missions, with well known and trusted mates, against people sharing the same sportly and fair approach.

That is the part of the online experience I think would definitely appeal to me.
The 'each man for himself' mentality, not so much.

[JG53Frankyboy]

well, the 'good old times' of COOP onlinewars are over i guess.....

It was a blast the last 8-9 years
that was 95% of my onlineflying with classic IL2. Met a lot of very nice people of all nations on TeamSpeak too !

[Blackdog_kt]

Originally Posted by Formula88

The best way to fly online is to get in the servers TS or Vent, that way its not so much every man for himself and you can coordinate with the other players. Makes it much more fun when you have 2-8 players on comms and you can fly around with some back-up instead of taking off and trying to fight alone. This greatly increases your chances of surviving in an online furball and increases your chances of a kill since the enemy may be more concerned with your wingmen than you for awhile. It also helps alot to be able to urgently let your flight know you have a bandit on your six and you will probably take a few hits and be rescued. The simplest online engagement totally blows the most complex offline one away soley for the fact that its you against a real "pilot" and not some AI jack-off. It can be daunting at first to step into multiplayer but it is completely worth it. Just remember, get in TS/Vent and USE IT! Let us know when you warming the engine, when your wheels are up and where you are at or going to be.


As for the complex CEM on any fighter plane, Bring it on!

Completely agree, this is exactly what i try to do when i have time to get into multi. It just needs setting a "slice" of time apart for flying because interruptions (eg, pausing mid-flight and coming back to the PC half an hour later) are not possible in multiplayer.