British FM killing the fun of the game for allied pilots.

[kristorf]

Originally Posted by Osprey

Christ........


Yet you are here making your point, but you don't have any personal experience yourself.

Did Christ buy it, I don't know, but I know I did (Also received a collectors edition copy from UBI) after a framed and signed IL2 poster I won from them was damaged in the post.

So I do think I have experiance, Steam says so with the 300+ hours logged.
Also approx half of my Squad (Tangmere Pilots) have it and have spent many hours flying.

Don't get me wrong, we like the game but we can't fly it as it says on the box.

[ATAG_Dutch]

Originally Posted by VO101_Tom

We switch back the CEM after a short time, because of the minor Emil PP issue (accidentally switch down) become serious, because the PP can't andustable manually if CEM off. But right, it worth a try.

It seems to work with just 'temp effects' turned off.

I just did a very brief check on the Spit MkIa 100oct and obtained a constant290mph at sea level, then a steady 3500-4000ft per min climb rate at 160mph.

So far it looks to me as though only temp effects need to be turned off, not the whole CEM, but at first glance, simply turning off temp effects opens up a whole new FM.

I'd appreciate some others testing this, whether Red or Blue, to see if they get a similar improvement in performance or not.

[Robo.]

Originally Posted by VO101_Tom

Aircraft performance can not be accurately compared based on Books and stories. You do not know what were the circumstances, what was the battle scene, what was the status of the planes, who was the experience of the pilots, they had damage or injury before, and you dont know many other reason.
If you read memoirs of pilots who survived the war – it's incredible– but all of them survived the war, and all of them will tell you that they plane was better then other. They win the dogfights.

Kozedub was asked once, what he thinks, what was the best plane of the WW2? He replied: "The La-7. I hope you do not ask me why..."

I think got exactly what you ment Tom, and you're 100%-ly right mate.

More than anything, it's the initial situation that matters, outcome of the fight is about tactics which involves: position (altitude) / speed / maneuveur / shooting (while you mention Kozhedub ), BUT the FMs should be correct to start with regardless. Of course experienced pilot can use even 'porked' plane and succeed (by bouncing the enemy whenever possible) but that's not a reason to keep them porked, is it? Especially if this era is so well researched and all information is available to the devs!

I never actually tried the 100 octane Spit with CEM off to be honest, I use Repka 4 'mince meat' server for personal training and my ride is usually stock Ia Spitfire as at the moment I practice defensive tactics and manoeveurs against 109s (in which case I place myself underneath a decent 109 pilot and see what happens when I get co-E ), although it's fun to fly over there I tend to fly carefully with rpm so I can use that skills on proper servers, too. With CEM switched on, the 100 octane was closer to the 109 climb performance but not quite there and for very limited time due to overheating problems. Mind you that was in 1.07 so I am not sure how it looks like now.

[5./JG27.Farber]

Originally Posted by VO101_Tom

Aircraft performance can not be accurately compared based on Books and stories. You do not know what were the circumstances, what was the battle scene, what was the status of the planes, who was the experienced pilots, had they damage or injury before, and you don't know many other reason.
If you read memoirs of pilots who survived the war – it's incredible– but all of them survived the war, and all of them will tell you that they plane was better than other. They win the dogfights.

Kozhedub was asked once, what he thinks, what was the best plane of the WW2? He replied: "The La-7. I hope you understand why."

+1 and in addition, we are all "aces"... In RL this was not so, some British pilots in BoB only had 6 or 10 hours flght time...

[ATAG_Dutch]

Top speed at sea level test with and without 'temp effects' enabled. Both runs done in the free flight England quick mission. Spit MkIa 100oct.

With temp effects on I got 270mph with +11 boost, 3000rpm.

With temp effects off I got 290mph with +11 boost, 3000rpm.

No extra effort or duration of flight was necessary, the Spit was just faster with temp effects off.

The first screenshot is temp effects off, the second temp effects on.

CEM was on in both cases.

[Longywales]

I can also confirm that the spitfire is speeding and climbing faster with CEM turned off..in variants IIa and Ia_Oct

[ATAG_Dutch]

Originally Posted by Longywales

I can also confirm that the spitfire is speeding and climbing faster with CEM turned off..in variants IIa and Ia_Oct

Longywales, please could you try it again with just the 'temp effects' turned off? Leave CEM on, turn off temps. That's how I got the result above. Thanks

[VO101_Tom]

Originally Posted by Robo.

I... BUT the FMs should be correct to start with regardless. Of course experienced pilot can use even 'porked' plane and succeed (by bouncing the enemy whenever possible) but that's not a reason to keep them porked, is it?

Of course not, I did not said anything like this. Only bother me, if anyone claims the status of FM based of feelings and impressions (instead of measuring and datas). Like everyone would be a test pilot... Clear 1v1 the only opportunity, to find out the differences between the planes. If the situation is neutral, same energy level, same starting conditions, the Spit is a deadly, hard opponent.

Originally Posted by Robo.

I never actually tried the 100 octane Spit with CEM off to be honest, I use Repka 4 'mince meat' server for personal training and my ride is usually stock Ia Spitfire as at the moment I practice defensive tactics and manoeveurs against 109s (in which case I place myself underneath a decent 109 pilot and see what happens when I get co-E ), although it's fun to fly over there I tend to fly carefully with rpm so I can use that skills on proper servers, too.

The Repka is fun target practice, but nothing more. You can't dogfighting, because somebody will shot you or your opponent within a minute. Last time, I remember, only You and Vranac, who flew a little higher on the red side, but almost all of the players chasing eachother on the deck... well, I'm not complaining, I let them fly low, if they want

[VO101_Tom]

Originally Posted by ATAG_Dutch

Top speed at sea level test with and without 'temp effects' enabled. Both runs done in the free flight England quick mission. Spit MkIa 100oct.

With temp effects on I got 270mph with +11 boost, 3000rpm.

With temp effects off I got 290mph with +11 boost, 3000rpm.

No extra effort or duration of flight was necessary, the Spit was just faster with temp effects off.

The first screenshot is temp effects off, the second temp effects on.

CEM was on in both cases.

Interesting.
I will check the 109, because the overheating causes deadly performance loss in the 109 too, the difference, that the full open water radiator can handle the engine heat. (It is not correct either, i think, it will be change soon. With the radiator air drag.)

[Osprey]

Originally Posted by kristorf

Did Christ buy it, I don't know, but I know I did (Also received a collectors edition copy from UBI) after a framed and signed IL2 poster I won from them was damaged in the post.

So I do think I have experiance, Steam says so with the 300+ hours logged.
Also approx half of my Squad (Tangmere Pilots) have it and have spent many hours flying.

Don't get me wrong, we like the game but we can't fly it as it says on the box.

So why did you say that you all nearly bought it? That implies that none of you did. You should've said "We all bought it but it was rubbish and went back to 1946" - That I can understand.......

Anyway, I think you should be more interested in the previous post I made to you, not this one.

PS, Tell Hatter that he can laugh at the mighty Palace now but the Tesco queenies are suffering and will soon be far below us