Could 6-DoF ever be available in 4.2 if players could forgive small Graphics issues

[Fafnir_6]

Hello all,

Just to lay the PoV discussion to rest, I submit the following pictures both taken using the un-zoomed view in the Macchi C.205, with keypad-1 pressed (for rear port-side view). The comparison is of the 4.09 Macchi versus the 4.10 Macchi and shows the effect of the different PoV settings from one patch to the next (as described in the 4.10 readme and by Caspar earlier in this thread). Note that the headrest in the 4.09 Macchi takes up ~40% of the screen area, while the it only takes up ~20% in 4.10. Forward visiblity is affected by the changes, as one would expect, but I don't feel that it is any worse in the new patch (it may actually be better--I haven't fought enough in the Macchi to be able to speak with authority). You can see the entire gunsight reticle in the 4.10 Macchi (the edges of it are often clipped in the distant gunsight of the 4.09 C.205)...It's almost as though the gunsight was supposed to be viewed from the closer distance ...Thanks DT for that fix. In any case, I think this is the natural way to deal with the Tempest's visibility issues.

Cheers,

Fafnir_6

P.S. This post is not intended to re-divert this thread away from 6DoF discussions but merely to provide closure to those worried about the Tempest...I will say no more about the matter.

[klem]

Originally Posted by Mysticpuma

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I know it seems there have been a couple of attempts to drag this one off-topic, and thanks to those of you who dragged it back.
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Probably guilty, sorry, but the Tempest rear view question is even relevant in 6DOF.

[EJGr.Ost_Caspar]

Originally Posted by Mysticpuma

All I'm requesting is a switch, nothing more, nothing less!

Cheers, MP

You mean, even if someone has a tracking device, he should be able to choose between 4DoF and 6DoF? Maybe expanding the conf.ini entry:

[rts]
UseTIR = 0,1,2 (off, 4DoF, 6DoF)

Not sure, if its possible, but will be considered if the time has come.

[SEE]

Wether in 2DOF or 6DOF, the internal POV can be changed for rearward view advantage by simply 'toggling gunsights' in normal view and having this assigned to your hatswitch for example. There are numerous view controls that can be used for 'view' advantage in both 2DOF and 6DOF.

Interestingly, the ability to enable/disable any axis during flight is a feature included in Freetrack (and extremely useful) but why add axis options in Config when you can do that in your HT software interface?

[Bearcat]

I just have a key set for > FOV and < FOV on a MACRO with a .060 repeat.. It is almost as smooth as having it on a slider.. and does the job very nicely.

[KG26_Alpha]

Originally Posted by KG26_Alpha

6DoF

Its simply unrealistic as its in its present form, you cannot move around that much in a fighter aircraft when strapped in, you are not wearing an inertia belting system in these aircraft you simply cannot move as given by 6DoF.
Any forward movement for gun sights was done by seat adjustment not the pilot leaning forwards.

Zooming forwards and unplucking your eyeballs from your skull and placing them on the canopy, rotating your head almost 180 degrees is worse than the present viewing system.




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Originally Posted by Bearcat

That is a bogus argument.

At best.

Zoom is and always has been a feature of this sim.. and actually every sim over the past 12 years or so, at least everyone I have flown.. from the moment that macros were possible it was possible to have zoom on a simulated slider... even though zoom is now on a slider.. my zoom is still the way it has been.. with a macro, set at .002 second intervals .. and you can say what misinformed mumbo jumbo you want.. but if you try to fly and fight zoomed in you will die a quick virtual death... Zoom definitely has it's place in any sim.. and that, because it is part of the stock sim and always has been.. even before TIR came out, renders it a non issue.

What are you talking about misinformed mumbo jumbo ?


Your opinion is the only opinion allowed here ?

If you ever flew in a high performance aircraft you would realise what you are requesting is fantasy.

At the extreme end of the scale

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8i04...eature=related

At the lower/fun end of the scale

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6w91G...eature=related

The current UPv2.01 6DoF is not realistic, the current V4.10 viewing system is not realistic, any new viewing system work should be done from this point,
and take into consideration the integrity of the cockpits limitations regarding the poly counts allowed back then.

I would rather see the work/time spent else where by DT.

IMHO

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[SEE]

IL1946 embraces difficulty levels. Oleg has frequently stated that he wanted his work to be enjoyed by all.

If 'viewing Realism' is one of the primary requirements before any consideration for the implementation of 6DOF into stock (and applies to 2DOF, fixed pov with regards swivelling to 6) then it must be part of the difficulty options and integrate fully with all other viewing features such as Zoom, FOV, gunsights, etc to ensure a common experience with that 'difficulty' enabled with or without HT. This would be an overwhelming technical challenge (added to resolving the 'glitches') - compromises would have to be made that I am unsure TD and 'purists' would be prepared to accept.

[Fafnir_6]

Originally Posted by EJGr.Ost_Caspar

You mean, even if someone has a tracking device, he should be able to choose between 4DoF and 6DoF? Maybe expanding the conf.ini entry:

[rts]
UseTIR = 0,1,2 (off, 4DoF, 6DoF)

Not sure, if its possible, but will be considered if the time has come.

Cool!

Fafnir_6

[arthursmedley]

Originally Posted by KG26_Alpha

I would rather see the work/time spent else where by DT.

IMHO

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Fair enough! However, 85% of respondents to this poll would seem to disagree with you.

[kimosabi]

Originally Posted by EJGr.Ost_Caspar

BTW: 190 vs 37 ... My oppinion is, that the orientation should not be to please the 85%, but to convince the 15% instead. Then the task is done.

You can't convince all the nay sayers. Some of them are too pigheaded to be objective.

Look at KG26's last reply to Bearcat for example. He's so set on convincing Bearcat that the pilot is strapped down too tight for 6DoF(although much harder strapped than WW2 pilots were but ok), that he don't see the obvious 6DoF action going on in those very same vids. Sideways head tilt and sideways movement(not rotating) is part of 6DoF.