The Crystal Ball

[ACE-OF-ACES]

Originally Posted by bongodriver

The start to that video said mission objectives.....not absolute guarantees.

Agreed..

Also, out of all the things shown in that alpha video from 2009.. What did not make it into the final product other than the dynamic weather (moving cloud fronts, changing weather) and stunt plane

Which 1C anounced prior to the release of CoD that they were unable to get that into the final product.

[bongodriver]

Originally Posted by furbs

Bongo lets say the had been no moaning since before release, not one word... are you saying CLOD would be in a better state? would it of got better reviews?
would we of got more and better patches?

No.......I'm saying the moaning is just not going to help at all.

1. It's just plain annoying.......hence why I'm returning the favour
2. Not a single whine provides constructive criticism, so far they have been nothing more than petty and scathing attacks.
3. Prospective customers might actually believe some of that tripe and therefore refrain from buying the game.

I suspect point 3 would bring satisfaction to the most prevalent whiners

[Force10]

Originally Posted by ACE-OF-ACES

I did notice this at the start of the vidoe..

WORK IN PROGRESS
All videos and images are based on a pre-alpha version

Did you?

But I did not see the word promise used in any portion of the video.. Did you? If so could you provide the time into the video wher you saw the word promise used? Thanks in advance

You mean did they pinky swear? No, but this was promotional material that is meant to entice folks into buying their next product. Usually, work in progress and alpha are disclaimers that what you will see when they want you to think that it will actually be better than what your seeing. I didn't see them say that some of these features might not make it into the game. Did You?

[ACE-OF-ACES]

Originally Posted by Force10

I didn't see them say that some of these features might not make it into the game. Did You?

Yes prior to release 1C announced that dynamic weather and the stunt plane would not make it into the final product.. And the fact that you did not know that does shed some light on why you are so upset.. But now that you know, maybe you wont be?

[Ataros]

Originally Posted by furbs

We had this sort of stuff for years...

Yes, and I wanted to perceive it as a promise to deliver all these in a release version. But this was only my personal decision and responsibility to perceive it as a promise. Why? Because Oleg never said "I promise that we can deliver it". Every update had a "WIP" notice which means "Can be changed without any further notice because **** ups happen in the very last moment." I explained above what a disaster happened starting with the crisis.

Yes, it would be better if Oleg managed our expectations better (which he could not due to the NDA agreement with UBI). But anyway he can not have 100% responsibility for our expectations, only we have as grown ups.

PS. Again the question is not whom to blame (Oleg excepted that he made vital mistakes), but how not to harm the situation further. Some may have their personal agenda of cause.

[ACE-OF-ACES]

Originally Posted by Ataros

Yes, and I wanted to perceive it as a promise to deliver all these in a release version. But this was only my personal decision and responsibility to perceive it as a promise. Why? Because Oleg never said "I promise that we can deliver it". Every update had a "WIP" notice which means "Can be changed without any further notice because **** ups happen in the very last moment." I explained above what a disaster happened starting with the crisis.

Yes, it would be better if Oleg managed our expectations better (which he could not due to the NDA agreement with UBI). But anyway he can not have 100% responsibility for our expectations, only we have as grown ups.

+1

[Force10]

Originally Posted by ACE-OF-ACES

Yes prior to release 1C announced that dynamic weather and the stunt plane would not make it into the final product.. And the fact that you did not know that does shed some light on why you are so upset.. But now that you know, maybe you wont be?

I was talking about not seeing it in the video that was given out to promote the game. The video was what we were talking about, wasn't it? Contrary to what you might think, not every person waiting 5 years for this checked every post, eveyday. The video was mis-leading, I'm sure you can see that.

AOA hasn't been around that long and he certainly wasn't posting here during development as far as i remember, and Bongo didn't even join here until the month of release so these two have very little credability when it comes to what was being shown and said to us by the Dev team. Everyone here including all the mods no the deal, we all know what was sold to us and what we actually got, no-one in their right minds apart from the 2 mentioned above would argue with that.

[ElAurens]

AOA has been around IL2 about as long as I have.

[Chivas]

Well I've been here from the start and Oleg NEVER PROMISED ANYTHING. As a matter of fact they where constantly going out of there way to state this is a WORK IN PROGRESS and there were no promises, a lesson they learned well in the first series.

Unfortunately no matter how many times its stated people just don't get it. When the developers have the community involved with a development the community MUST undertand that even the developer does NOT know how the sim will evolve. There are ALWAYS compromises.

Having to release a sim before it was finished certainly didn't help either. Of course a sim will not have all the features working yet.....ITS NOT FINISHED.

OK thats it ban me, I'm tired of supposed adults posting like two year olds. 'but you promises, wha, wha wha"