The Crystal Ball

Bottom line is: whatever 1C does about COD and the following games, if the community is not happy about it, if the forums are full of whiners, impatient and non forgiven clients, what would happen ? Whos to say what is acceptable or not in terms of quality and accuacy ? Whos to say what are reasonable amount of bugs at release ? Whos to say what are reasonnable time lines for fixes and patches until "majority satisfaction" is obtained ? What % of advertised features has to be garanteed at release ? Well, WE are the ones who decide. Not as individuals, but as a community. This time, the majority agreed that COD, at release, was a failure. Individually, we have different opnions about the future of COD and how and when and if it will be fixed.
1C has the ball. They have the best and worse clients of the genre. We live in symbiose . We can make those games a potentiel success if 1C delivers the goods. Now if they dont meet our expectations for a second time, I dare anyone to say its our community's fault.

SAlute !

[bongodriver]

No just the whiners fault..

[klem]

Bar's closed guys.

G'nite

[furbs]

Originally Posted by bongodriver

No just the whiners fault..

Bongo lets say the had been no moaning since before release, not one word... are you saying CLOD would be in a better state? would it of got better reviews?
would we of got more and better patches?

[Ataros]

Originally Posted by philip.ed

This doesn't account for the people who browsed this forum and took the devs comments to be official (comments which were official until Oleg's announcement he was stepping down).

They were extremely misleading. This truth is inescapable.

So Furbs has every reason to grumble (I guess in the same way you have every right to mock him for his apparent naiveity. What was it Voltaire said? 'I detest your opinion but I will argue until the death for your right to say it')

I do not remember Oleg saying "You will get this, this and that feature in release version.", or "I promise you will get this..." All he could say is "We are working on this and that...", or "We want this and that feature to be included, etc." These are very different statements.

We all could be misleaded by this because we all wanted the best sim we could imagine. But this was our decision to be misleaded (if we are not kids). People tend to interpret words in the way which is more pleasing to them as this example shows very well (what Luthier actually said and how it was interpreted) http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showpos...&postcount=965

If I decided to pay $50 for a game or 1500 for a PC this is 100% my own responsibility. (Not talking about kids here of cause.) Thus I have no excuse to blame others for my own mistakes (if I am a grown up).

[ACE-OF-ACES]

Originally Posted by philip.ed

but you have now taken it completely out of context.

Hardly.. And anyone can click on the link to see that it is in context.

[ACE-OF-ACES]

Originally Posted by Ataros

I do not remember Oleg saying "You will get this, this and that feature in release version.", or "I promise you will get this..." All he could say is "We are working on this and that...", or "We want this and that feature to be included, etc." These are very different statements.

Bingo!

And the fact that he did NOT provide any links to these so called promises speaks volumes.

[furbs]

Originally Posted by Ataros

I do not remember Oleg saying "You will get this, this and that feature in release version.", or "I promise you will get this..." All he could say is "We are working on this and that...", or "We want this and that feature to be included, etc." These are very different statements.

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We had this sort of stuff for years...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2GtsNqaE1yU

[ACE-OF-ACES]

I did notice this at the start of the vidoe..

WORK IN PROGRESS
All videos and images are based on a pre-alpha version

Did you?

But I did not see the word promise used in any portion of the video.. Did you? If so could you provide the time into the video wher you saw the word promise used? Thanks in advance

[bongodriver]

The start to that video said mission objectives.....not absolute guarantees.