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Old 09-11-2009, 09:12 AM
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It doesn't have a rotary, it has a radial. Torque from radials is no different than torque from a inline engine. The propeller causes the torque effect, not the engine.

Radials are harder wearing and don't have glycol coolant, they are mostly aircooled so are not prone to radiator damage. Much better for using at sea or in a ground attack aircraft where resiliance is required.

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Okay, I usually fly the 109 and it is my plan of preference and I am trying to learn how to fly the 190 on realistic/simulator and it is kicking my ass. This plane is absolutely unforgiving! I stall out on what seems like simple turns and climbs and bleeds off speed like nothing I have seen. .
Don't turn at all. Roll, the 190's had the best roll rate of any WW2 plane throughout the speed range. The 190 is all about vector rolls, rolling scissors, negative rolls, yo yo's...just don't make sharp low speed turns. Your probably stalling as your speed isn't high enough or your AoA is too sharp in a climb.

The only time you should turn with a 190 is at high speed, at 400kph+ you can do 45 to 90 degree turns only. Then straighten up.

A dog fight is all about getting the enemy in front of your guns, not turning like a l00n in the grass. The 190 is all about energy, maintaining energy, attacking then extending. Just don't' turn with it because you won't be able to out turn anything in it anyway.
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Old 09-11-2009, 03:03 PM
Von Heydte Von Heydte is offline
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Good stuff, Mondo. Thanks a bunch. Are there any videos online that show how to do these roll maneuvers? I see them in books but seeing it on a page and executing are two different things. As far as maintaining energy, I assume you mean climbing whenever you can to gain as much potential energy to save up for another diving attack?

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It doesn't have a rotary, it has a radial. Torque from radials is no different than torque from a inline engine. The propeller causes the torque effect, not the engine.

Radials are harder wearing and don't have glycol coolant, they are mostly aircooled so are not prone to radiator damage. Much better for using at sea or in a ground attack aircraft where resiliance is required.



Don't turn at all. Roll, the 190's had the best roll rate of any WW2 plane throughout the speed range. The 190 is all about vector rolls, rolling scissors, negative rolls, yo yo's...just don't make sharp low speed turns. Your probably stalling as your speed isn't high enough or your AoA is too sharp in a climb.

The only time you should turn with a 190 is at high speed, at 400kph+ you can do 45 to 90 degree turns only. Then straighten up.

A dog fight is all about getting the enemy in front of your guns, not turning like a l00n in the grass. The 190 is all about energy, maintaining energy, attacking then extending. Just don't' turn with it because you won't be able to out turn anything in it anyway.
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Old 09-11-2009, 03:20 PM
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Good stuff, Mondo. Thanks a bunch. Are there any videos online that show how to do these roll maneuvers? I see them in books but seeing it on a page and executing are two different things. As far as maintaining energy, I assume you mean climbing whenever you can to gain as much potential energy to save up for another diving attack?

Here is the best example video I've seen of using the 190 to its full potential in the rolling scissors -



Notice how he rolls and reverses in direction and the Spitfire is helpless trying to match him - resulting in the Spit overshooting.
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