Censorship and what to buy: 1C/Anton please help!!!

[fuzzychickens]

For all the censorship and general banning of stuff going on in Germany, it's no suprise you guys still have problems with Neonazi groups - the censorship and banning actually helps them blend in with society.

Sucks that it extends to games too.

We shouldn't whitewash history unless we want to repeat it. Hopefully the German version of the game is the same as the others.

[Danny M NL]

it's probably the same version, just with german voice-overs on EVERYTHING.

I asked anton why all swastikas have been removed from the game, and he said it was because of censorship rules, not just in germany...

Although I understand he doesn't want to offend evryone, I still tink it's bullcrap the rest of the world has to play this game without swastikas just because of the germans, while other games like call of duty have lots o' swastika's...

[Widar]

Originally Posted by Danny M NL

it's probably the same version, just with german voice-overs on EVERYTHING.

I asked anton why all swastikas have been removed from the game, and he said it was because of censorship rules, not just in germany...

Although I understand he doesn't want to offend evryone, I still tink it's bullcrap the rest of the world has to play this game without swastikas just because of the germans, while other games like call of duty have lots o' swastika's...

Before this post sidetracks into a `lets bash the German common man` for 1945 censorship laws which the German common man really has no way of changing or influencing, I must set something straight.

This post is just about a question to 1C/Anton about the difference between the Benelux and the FRG BOP version in terms of censorship that is all. I just want to know what I buy before I buy it. I just bought HOI3 and the FRG version has been thoroughly self-censored by the game developer to avoid official censorship and I want to avoid this with BOP should that also be the case.

So let´s not change this post into blaming a people for a government and the laws they have to live under and then state that that people is the cause for worldwide game censorship. People get born in a country and from day one they must obey laws they never drew up themselves and pay lifelong taxes on account of huge government debts they themselves had no part in making and that they will never be able to pay off. Let´s not blame the common man or a people for any of it.

The removing of symbols, names and other items in games worldwide generally has nothing to do with `youth health protection` censorship in the FRG specifically.

In the USA there is also a `youth health protection` scheme. The director of Battlefront games in the USA explained on his website forum a few years ago why he took certain symbols, names and other items out of his USA only release Combat Mission game because of the ´youth health protection´ measures in the USA. The fact is that under the guise, pretext or whatever you want to call it of rubber paragraph´youth health protection´, the censor can say that a game, book, cd or whatever is dangerous to the health of a child. Then that product may not be publicly advertised and not sold in public places (stores and the like). Which in effect means bankruptcy for a small or medium size game developer.

No game developer wants this to happen to his product obviously. So game developers censor themselves and leave stuff out of their game in advance to avoid getting hit by the `youth health protection´ censors worldwide. Some game developers are more brave than others in this respect or are almost immune to censorship like COD and GTA because of the big money and influence behind them.

[Danny M NL]

Originally Posted by Widar

Before this post sidetracks into a `lets bash the German common man` for 1945 censorship laws which the German common man really has no way of changing or influencing, I must set something straight.

This post is just about a question to 1C/Anton about the difference between the Benelux and the FRG BOP version in terms of censorship that is all. I just want to know what I buy before I buy it. I just bought HOI3 and the FRG version has been thoroughly self-censored by the game developer to avoid official censorship and I want to avoid this with BOP should that also be the case.

So let´s not change this post into blaming a people for a government and the laws they have to live under and then state that that people is the cause for worldwide game censorship. People get born in a country and from day one they must obey laws they never drew up themselves and pay lifelong taxes on account of huge government debts they themselves had no part in making and that they will never be able to pay off. Let´s not blame the common man or a people for any of it.

The removing of symbols, names and other items in games worldwide generally has nothing to do with `youth health protection` censorship in the FRG specifically.

In the USA there is also a `youth health protection` scheme. The director of Battlefront games in the USA explained on his website forum a few years ago why he took certain symbols, names and other items out of his USA only release Combat Mission game because of the ´youth health protection´ measures in the USA. The fact is that under the guise, pretext or whatever you want to call it of rubber paragraph´youth health protection´, the censor can say that a game, book, cd or whatever is dangerous to the health of a child. Then that product may not be publicly advertised and not sold in public places (stores and the like). Which in effect means bankruptcy for a small or medium size game developer.

No game developer wants this to happen to his product obviously. So game developers censor themselves and leave stuff out of their game in advance to avoid getting hit by the `youth health protection´ censors worldwide. Some game developers are more brave than others in this respect or are almost immune to censorship like COD and GTA because of the big money and influence behind them.

I actually meant the german government instead of the people, my choice of words was a bit unfortunate...

[Widar]

Originally Posted by Danny M NL

I actually meant the german government instead of the people, my choice of words was a bit unfortunate...

That's ok no problem, just wanted to prevent this thread from turning into a people bashing event.

Nice signature image.

[Desode]

Originally Posted by fuzzychickens

For all the censorship and general banning of stuff going on in Germany, it's no suprise you guys still have problems with Neonazi groups - the censorship and banning actually helps them blend in with society.

Sucks that it extends to games too.

We shouldn't whitewash history unless we want to repeat it. Hopefully the German version of the game is the same as the others.

RIGHT ON ! I couldn't agree more ! History is History.
Desode