Spitfire why so popular??

[redtiger02]

Originally Posted by FOZ_1983

You seem very hostile towards the hurricane, and why...i have no idea. Nor do i care, I personally think differently, and im sure many others (pete brothers) would agree that the hurricane did a good job.

How many hurricane pilots do you know? have you spoken to? not just read about online?


i will not get into a debate nor argue with you, because your arguement or debate seems very one sided, and that is against the hurricane. Their is no compromise it seems.

2, to be exact. FO James (Jimmy) Wilkinson and PO Walter D. Richey, you can find the contents of the interviews I did with them in the library at Baylor University, Waco, TX. If you want to know which doctoral thesis to request from the library that will have to be done in a PM, as I am not about to put personal informating like my full name in such a public forum. Also, evidently you didn't read the post before you decided to respond with more nonsense. I am not pro or anti Hurricane, I am, however, pro-pilot. So, how many Hurricane pilots have you interviewed? Did you also interview Luftwaffe pilots to hear what they had to say about it? Did you interview anyone from the RCAF about their experiences during WW II? Unfortunately, I have never had the opportunity to speak with anyone from the Eagle Squadron, but those guys are few and far between. I don't care if you're desperately attached to the Hurricane. You're underinformed. Sir Sydney Camm is probably rolling over in his grave over what you're saying. As he died in 1966, I couldn't exactly talk to him about it, but even he said it was an outdated fighter and worked night-and-day to better the situation. <pause for you to google him to create some response> So, to the point here, I am neither pro nor anti Hurricane, I put the facts in front of you and you ran them over with a lawnmower. I am and will remain pro-pilot, because as I said in the post you evidently didn't read, the plane is nothing, the pilot is everything. Incidentally, you can't "choose not to debate something," when someone has already closed the issue after pointing out that debating the planes was neglecting the pilots. That whole "you can't fire me because I quit!" thing only works on tv. Next time, read the post, think a little, then choose whether or not you are going to say anything else. At the very least, post something about what was actually said instead of going off on your weird Hurricane fetish. I've heard of people being into shoes, stuffed animals, midgets, etc., but this is the first airplane fetish I have encountered.

"The engine of an airplane is its heart, but the pilot its soul." "The War in the Air," - Sir Walter Raleigh

[FOZ_1983]

Originally Posted by redtiger02

2, to be exact. FO James (Jimmy) Wilkinson and PO Walter D. Richey, you can find the contents of the interviews I did with them in the library at Baylor University, Waco, TX. If you want to know which doctoral thesis to request from the library that will have to be done in a PM, as I am not about to put personal informating like my full name in such a public forum. Also, evidently you didn't read the post before you decided to respond with more nonsense. I am not pro or anti Hurricane, I am, however, pro-pilot. So, how many Hurricane pilots have you interviewed? Did you also interview Luftwaffe pilots to hear what they had to say about it? Did you interview anyone from the RCAF about their experiences during WW II? Unfortunately, I have never had the opportunity to speak with anyone from the Eagle Squadron, but those guys are few and far between. I don't care if you're desperately attached to the Hurricane. You're underinformed. Sir Sydney Camm is probably rolling over in his grave over what you're saying. As he died in 1966, I couldn't exactly talk to him about it, but even he said it was an outdated fighter and worked night-and-day to better the situation. <pause for you to google him to create some response> So, to the point here, I am neither pro nor anti Hurricane, I put the facts in front of you and you ran them over with a lawnmower. I am and will remain pro-pilot, because as I said in the post you evidently didn't read, the plane is nothing, the pilot is everything. Incidentally, you can't "choose not to debate something," when someone has already closed the issue after pointing out that debating the planes was neglecting the pilots. That whole "you can't fire me because I quit!" thing only works on tv. Next time, read the post, think a little, then choose whether or not you are going to say anything else. At the very least, post something about what was actually said instead of going off on your weird Hurricane fetish. I've heard of people being into shoes, stuffed animals, midgets, etc., but this is the first airplane fetish I have encountered.

"The engine of an airplane is its heart, but the pilot its soul." "The War in the Air," - Sir Walter Raleigh

I have family who work with veterans, thus get to see many of them myself, and they swear by it. They say the spitfire WAS a better fighter, but i didnt once deny that fact, thye like me just feel the hurricane doesnt get the credit it deserves.

Why would i speak to luftwaffe pilots??? so they can tell me how it was to fly AGAINST?? that is not what we are talking about, we are talking about how adequate it was at its job and how you seem to be very anti hurricane. Its kind of freaky if anything. Rather worrying. Are you on medication? maybe you should be!!

It was simply a case of giving the hurricane a little more credit. Not you going off on one and spitting your dummy out.

Forget anythign you have learned or written about, the simple fact remains that the hurricane was good enough in 1940 battle of britain. If your talking absolete by then, then i suggest looking at the fairely battle or the paul defiant!!! THEY were obsolete in 1940.

[vincent1989]

Originally Posted by FOZ_1983

I have family who work with veterans, thus get to see many of them myself, and they swear by it. They say the spitfire WAS a better fighter, but i didnt once deny that fact, thye like me just feel the hurricane doesnt get the credit it deserves.

Why would i speak to luftwaffe pilots??? so they can tell me how it was to fly AGAINST?? that is not what we are talking about, we are talking about how adequate it was at its job and how you seem to be very anti hurricane. Its kind of freaky if anything. Rather worrying. Are you on medication? maybe you should be!!

It was simply a case of giving the hurricane a little more credit. Not you going off on one and spitting your dummy out.

Forget anythign you have learned or written about, the simple fact remains that the hurricane was good enough in 1940 battle of britain. If your talking absolete by then, then i suggest looking at the fairely battle or the paul defiant!!! THEY were obsolete in 1940.

hear hear, and to be fair the battle and the defiant were out of date well before 1940 ^^ , it's worth note that the hurricane was the work horse in afric/ka as well along with the gloster gladiator.

a brilliant plane that pulled it's weight and then some, the spitfire may have been the RAF eye candy but they weren't the be all and end all

[FOZ_1983]

its quite simple - if the hurricane was THAT obsolete and THAT bad at everything like you seem to say, then why produce it until wars end??

dont say because it was cheap and easy!!

if it was so bad then why not produce more spifires, then cancel the hurricanes and concentrate on typhoon/tempest instead.

You know your stuff i'll give you that, but you seem to argue alot against the hurricane.

[redtiger02]

Originally Posted by FOZ_1983

I have family who work with veterans, thus get to see many of them myself, and they swear by it. They say the spitfire WAS a better fighter, but i didnt once deny that fact, thye like me just feel the hurricane doesnt get the credit it deserves.

Why would i speak to luftwaffe pilots??? so they can tell me how it was to fly AGAINST?? that is not what we are talking about, we are talking about how adequate it was at its job and how you seem to be very anti hurricane. Its kind of freaky if anything. Rather worrying. Are you on medication? maybe you should be!!

It was simply a case of giving the hurricane a little more credit. Not you going off on one and spitting your dummy out.

Forget anythign you have learned or written about, the simple fact remains that the hurricane was good enough in 1940 battle of britain. If your talking absolete by then, then i suggest looking at the fairely battle or the paul defiant!!! THEY were obsolete in 1940.

You are hopeless. Why would you talk to Luftwaffe pilots? Because if you want to know how anything performs in combat, you need to also talk to the people that have gone against it. Once again, you totally disregarded what I was saying in an effort to make yourself feel better about your Hurricane fetish. I talk about it being the pilots that make the plane, you go back again about the Hurricane. You disregard the facts presented to you whenever convenient. If the developer of the plane said it was obsolete but adequate, the pilots of the plane said it was obsolete but adequate, the pilots that flew against it said it was obsolete but adequate, then exactly how is your completely underinformed opinion supposed to be more valuable than theirs? Twice in one day you have completely gone off track on what I said. If you can't read what I said about planes vs pilots and comprehend it then your reading comprehension problem is exactly that, your problem. You don't know what you're talking about and you're willing to defend that position all the way to the ground. Maybe you should start by getting a dictionary. Obsolete does not mean inadequate kid. The Stuka was obsolete by the start of the war, but it was adequate and was produced throughout the war. The Fairey Swordfish was obsolete by the start of the war, but it was adequate. The Hurricane was obsolete by the start of the war, but it was adequate. The pilots are what made them adequate. Yet, you seem to lack even a basic understanding of that and are just waiting to make another comment about your Hurricane fetish, desperately hoping that you'll be right somewhere amongst the BS. First, learn to read, then, get a dictionary before you make another inane comment about a subject you obviously know very little about. You know a few things about 1 single plane, that isn't exactly a qualified knowledge of aerial combat in WW II.

[FOZ_1983]

How have i gone off track with what you have said? really?

How old are you? Your very opininated and extremely rude and if im direct and to the point... up your own arse!!

I have not once lowered the tone to a low level but you seem to make rather petty and shitty remarks. If you want to start name calling and acting like a prick, then thats fine..do it!! just not in here and not with me. I work 5 days a week, and damn hard at that. Im here to relax and basically chill out, not get a verbal bashing from some stuck up twat such as yourself.

Get off your high horse, and then we'll talk some more.

[skullblits]

redtiger02
Perhapes you shouldnt post anymore, Your off the rail's as to the point of this Thread, Your very very rude and clearly abit of a moron. Go start a thread about your pilot Stuff.

just stop annoying people with your silly talk.

[Soviet Ace]

Riiiigght.... Anyway, back to the topic at hand.

Incase some of you didn't know, the Spitfire and Hurricane in the early Mk's had the same Merlin engine, so it wasn't a matter of power; but of maneuverability and such. The Spitfire is better known because it was more recent, and got more Fighter kills than the Hurricanes. The Hurricanes got more planes all around, but not fighters. That's one of the misconceptions people have about the two planes.

[redtiger02]

Originally Posted by skullblits

redtiger02
Perhapes you shouldnt post anymore, Your off the rail's as to the point of this Thread, Your very very rude and clearly abit of a moron. Go start a thread about your pilot Stuff.

just stop annoying people with your silly talk.

That's right, offering verifiable facts that are a matter of historical record clearly makes one a moron. BTW, they produced it until the end of the war because it was easy to mass produce, yet another historical fact, clearly the sign of a moron. Stating that the credit goes to the pilots and not the planes, although any reasonable person would say the same, clearly the definition of a lack of intelligence to the Irish evidently. Taking statements about the viability of the Spitfire and Mosquito versus the Hurricane directly from statements made by the developer and also the pilots that flew them, pure insanity. The earlier question about whether or not the Soviets used the Spitfire, why that's just absurd. Clearly, I should have invested all of my time gaining the opinion of a pair of twelve year olds from the UK instead of pursuing the actual facts at an accredited university.

Twelve year olds aside, Soviet Ace, which Russian squadrons used the Spitfire? I have been trying to find more information on them after you mentioned it, back before the useless Hurricane war came about, but haven't been able to find much. Also, what roles did the Russians use the Spitfire in, what battles, etc.? If you also know what all models they used that would be helpful.

[skullblits]

Well state them in a manner Which isnt Rude, If that even possible for you. and where are you from, Because your irish comment prove what a utter jerk you are