The real IL2 focus group (Everyone come in here)

[juz1]

I'm amazed no one has used the term passive aggressive yet...

I'm out..
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Vaporizer Review

[The_Goalie_94]

I only read about three posts Anton replied too, but even without reading them, i do have to stand up for Anton. You cannot simulate something that cannot be simulated in more ways then one. Blackouts and/or redouts would, in the long run potentially ruin the game. And to be truly truly honest, if these so called ""HARDCORE"" simmers would want this, then tell them to get a pilots lisense, and try it themselves. I'm really sure most are in their late 20's or 30's and waist so much money on getting the right computer, or screen or updayes and mods where they can just get a lisence.

In other words, if you want a true flight experience, get a license, other words, the game should just be fun. I'll leave it at that, sorry for being a little rude but points have to get proven one way or another, even if this post didn't cut it...

[guiltyspark]

Originally Posted by The_Goalie_94

I only read about three posts Anton replied too, but even without reading them, i do have to stand up for Anton. You cannot simulate something that cannot be simulated in more ways then one. Blackouts and/or redouts would, in the long run potentially ruin the game. And to be truly truly honest, if these so called ""HARDCORE"" simmers would want this, then tell them to get a pilots lisense, and try it themselves. I'm really sure most are in their late 20's or 30's and waist so much money on getting the right computer, or screen or updayes and mods where they can just get a lisence.

In other words, if you want a true flight experience, get a license, other words, the game should just be fun. I'll leave it at that, sorry for being a little rude but points have to get proven one way or another, even if this post didn't cut it...

no points were proven with this post. and you are the typical person who will run into an argument and support the developer regardless of the topic at hand.

Getting a pilots license will not recreate ww2 aerial combat in any form what so ever, so that little poor excuse of an argument flies out the window . Il2 sturmovik (the original) "simulated" black outs and red outs fine and dandy , just because it cant be modeled perfectly doesnt mean a feature should not be in a game because a certian focus group had downs syndrome and didnt understand it. Im all for opening up IL2 to new crowds , but dumbing down the game for the people that have supported the franchise by removing a feature like this is completely wrong and in no way do i think anton is making a correct descision .

And i find it suprising of 1c/505 games of all people to WANT to dumb down a game in the first place

[The_Goalie_94]

Originally Posted by guiltyspark

Getting a pilots license will not recreate ww2 aerial combat in any form what so ever, so that little poor excuse of an argument flies out the window .

And i find it suprising of 1c/505 games of all people to WANT to dumb down a game in the first place

Ok, first things first, nothing, and i mean nothing can perfictly recreate a battle. Second, their not dumbing down on the game,

[juz1]

Originally Posted by guiltyspark

, just because it cant be modeled perfectly doesnt mean a feature should not be in a game because a certian focus group had downs syndrome and didnt understand it.

OK Guilty, you've just made a massively discriminatory remark against a large number of vulnerable members of society, who achieve, amongst other things, full triathlon finishes, karate blackbelts and pilot licences. Their issues are absolutlely no fault or choice of their own...unlike many idiots in society who spread hate and ignorance...

I know you are passionate about this game, but please choose your insults a little more carefully in future if you wish to maintain a basic level of respect for your posts...freedom of speech can be a rope to hang ourselves with...

peace
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MAGIC FLIGHT LAUNCH BOX

[guiltyspark]

Originally Posted by juz1

OK Guilty, you've just made a massively discriminatory remark against a large number of vulnerable members of society, who achieve, amongst other things, full triathlon finishes, karate blackbelts and pilot licences. Their issues are absolutlely no fault or choice of their own...unlike many idiots in society who spread hate and ignorance...

I know you are passionate about this game, but please choose your insults a little more carefully in future if you wish to maintain a basic level of respect for your posts...freedom of speech can be a rope to hang ourselves with...

peace

if there was no hate and ignorance the social gap would only widen between normal functioning human beings and the retarded. Keep an open mind and dont take offense to things on the internet no matter how "wrong" it may appear.

[juz1]

Originally Posted by guiltyspark

if there was no hate and ignorance the social gap would only widen between normal functioning human beings and the retarded. Keep an open mind and dont take offense to things on the internet no matter how "wrong" it may appear.

as blatant a troll as you are ever likely to see
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[jt_medina]

Only one thing. Post this thread on lets say SIMHQ IL2 forums and tell them that blackouts will not be included. SIMHQ has a very well known and busy forum with thousands of visitors every day. There you could have a better sample of what people would really think.

To me as a first day IL2 fan, the lack of this feature is dumbing down the product and it is unbelievable base it on focus group. But at the same time I still think that BOP is gonna be a leap forward in console simulation.

[P-51]

Your all scared its not going to be IL-2 Sturmovik anymore! Well newsflash its not going to be, its IL-2 Sturmovik:Birds of prey a new game! And as Anton said the redouts/blackouts are in the game, there just turned off!


Post this thread on lets say SIMHQ IL2 forums and tell them that blackouts will not be included. SIMHQ has a very well known and busy forum with thousands of visitors every day. There you could have a better sample of what people would really think. I think you forgot that they are simulation nuts therefore a biased Group of people!
Chris

[Soviet Ace]

I think having Red and Black outs adds to the fun. It just adds depth to the game while playing.