Impossible, Mage - No unit loss.

[Chase]

Originally Posted by Elwin

i wonder how u have killed them with no loses

I realised after failing alot that I couldent take them with brute force or even close to it (that is a shocker for alot of you I recon).

So on both encounters I went with 40 int and 160+ mana. So I would cast mass shackles and geysir turn 1. Then depening on how clustered they would be I would either cast geysir times 2 or fire rain/frost snake times 2 for turn 2 and 3.

During this I cast thorns with my dryads and lullaby in order to block their units from reaching mine. On Baal I had the imps zerg infront and block off everyone else and that helped me quite a bit.

I also used soul drain whenever I could and both the walls when I could.

vs Karador I got to the end and had him spawn vampires like you can see in the screenshot. Same went with Baal and his imps. Both of these have no retaliation so you can milk them for mana for ages. Its boring, but it works.

Threw in a screenshot of a fight vs alot of black dragons in Demonis. This was also quite a hard fight for me. But hurray for the imps.

Baal Dead.

Karador Dead.

Karador mana.

Black Dragons and Arch Demon army.


And my stats + gear + army:

My Character.

(As you can see Im going for spell pain for offense and a very defensive playstyle with my units in general.)

[Elwin]

well i am not shocked, actuallly i suspected such answer.I Was just curious that maybe someone invented something new but i think its all the same ^^

[Chase]

Originally Posted by Elwin

well i am not shocked, actuallly i suspected such answer.I Was just curious that maybe someone invented something new but i think its all the same ^^

Im sorry to have dissapointed you .

[Kjella]

Originally Posted by DGDobrev

I don't want to sound biased or something, but in so many play-throughs of KBTL and KBAP, I can't shake the feeling that this game is just made for a warrior. 1 buff/debuff spell + 1 high level spirit ability every turn usually works a lot better than 2 buff/debuff spells + 1 low level spirit ability (since the mage can't afford the high level ones). I tried to analyze and 2 armageddons + 1 decent level black hole were worth about 1800 damage at most and that's the best a mage can show for.

Huh? I do over 3500 dmg/spell from my fire rains (haven't got lvl 3 armageddon so can't compare, but should be even higher and I still got low int - 28 - for a mage) and can usually do a 30%/20 rage soul drain with reaper. My problem right now (lvl 24/impossible) is that I've come to a point where I'm getting toasted by:

a) Dragons with tons of fire/magic resistance
b) Demons with fire resistance
c) Karador on sheer numbers

The ugliest stack I've come across so far has been 33000 HP (dryads) and 20000+ HP dragon stacks. I run myself dry on mana (source of magic doesn't get you that far in my experience) and it all goes to shit. Too bad I stupidly spent my crystals since I got the arma scroll, with that I could probably at least get further taking some heavy losses.

[DGDobrev]

That's why I'm giving armageddon info. Fire rain will toast pretty much everything that doesn't have fire resistance and will obliterate thorns, ents and such, because the have fire vulnerability.

You can refer to this site for additionnal info about the chaos spells basic damage:
http://www.gamebanshee.com/kingsboun...pellschaos.php

Also that 1800 damage is the bast a mage can show for without the intellect and item bonuses. It may go higher, but on impossible that damage isn't much, because you're generally overpowered, and 2xarmageddon will have you out of mana in just a few turns.

[Elwin]

Well i didnt try on impossible but my normal mage had fare rain 7k+ same for ice snake i think it could harm even on impossible ^^

[Chase]

Originally Posted by Elwin

Well i didnt try on impossible but my normal mage had fare rain 7k+ same for ice snake i think it could harm even on impossible ^^

Yeah thats around the damage I do on impossible. I rely on nuking down whatever I can before it touches my units. That seems like the best overall strategy. But at the same time it helps to have the "hit and run" units that sprites, dryads and lake spirits are.

All in all I feel that Ive found the best balance by going mental on int.

[Quelthos]

I was able to defeat Karador at level 24 with only a stack of 5 black dragons.

Karador Setup

Karador Midway (No Crystal, No Mana)

Karador Victory

You can see I have a lot of damage modifiers, from my helm to the two firestorm artifacts to level 3 Destroyer. So I opened the fight with two max level armageddons, which reduced my stack of dragons to 1 and wiped out all necromancers, ghosts, skeleton archers, and all but 2 bone dragons. I used Time Back the next round to raise my stack of dragons back to maximum. From that point on it was a combination of a level 2 fireball (since my fire damage was so amplified), a level 3 healing spell (can't beat 1 mana), the dragon's special ability and just flying around the map to avoid getting hit.

On the left and right sides of the field are squares where only one creature can reach you, so I would take turns there with Glot's Armor as another means of avoiding damage. I used Charges to get some extra mana back as well. I used a second Time Back later in the fight as a means to kill the crystal.

[DGDobrev]

I would surmise that this is not impossible, otherwise the XP from the combat would've been more.

[Quelthos]

The difficulty is on impossible. I have only invested in a 10% bonus to XP from combat, so that might be why it seems low to you.