ROF is out on may 7th

[virre89]

Originally Posted by zapatista

boring ....

most people here that i know whom are interested in flightsims wont be buying it because its an online game only

pretty lame idea, i think they already lost 50% of their market before it is even released

when it functions like any other game you can play whenever and wherever it suits the person who purchased it, let me know. looking at the screenshots it also looks a very dated gfx engine, like a souped up version of il2. and i wont be giving them another 50$ each time they bring out a new plane either

So it's boring just because their policy doesn't suit you?

First of all you're statement is nothing but a child's post crying out loud, the game doesn't use the IL2 engine, the game utilize some of the latest graphic/engine/physics solutions on the market. If you've any knowledge about development, hardware & software you'd know but of course you had to bash it since the DRM doesn't suit you.

As for the sales thing, they've without no doubt lost customers however it's not near as much as 50%, it's more or less just a way for you to make yourself feel better about it. A more exact number would probably be around 5% of the potential customers has been lost. Truth is that today the majority of gamers are connected to the internet 24/7 , however many won't utilize it for gaming online BUT that doesn't mean that they don't have a broad band connection.

Their choice of online authenticity ain't anything new it's been utilized in games for the past 10 years, it's no secret that the simulation market would be moving here sooner or later and it's a good thing indeed. Sure some of the buyers might not buy it simply because they don't have an broadband connection which would render the game useless since it requires an online connection.

Then there's the argument about wither or not the product could become useless if the servers are shutdown and you couldn't play whenever you want. Tell ya what you pay for the internet , it can go time at any time , heck you pay for the electricity it can go down at any time as well, seriously even your house could collapse on you theres no guarantee for anything here in the world.

Have some faith in the developers for god sake, and even if their servers would go down for maintenance whats the big deal. The the question pops up again; what if it goes down forever?

So be it, but don't you think the developers have thought about the future. Removing the login system wouldn't be a hard task for such a talented team and if the worst case scenario would become true they'd just remove it and wola you can play you're SP all day long for eternity just like Mass Effect.

I tell you this, if you wanna miss out on such a great title just because of the copy protection so be it, you're loss dude and you won't be missed.
Truth is the once that were gonna buy it and really want it they buy it no matter what protection it has, i for once wouldn't miss out on it just because such a lame complaint.

[robtek]

It is very interesting how people are stirred up to defend a bad solution.
One might say: where there is smoke there must be flames!
There has been not one sound argument pro that drm cr@p but many to
depreciate the people who are against it.
Something that has to be defended in this form isn´t worth the time to write this sentences.

[Igo kyu]

Originally Posted by virre89

As for the sales thing, they've without no doubt lost customers however it's not near as much as 50%, it's more or less just a way for you to make yourself feel better about it. A more exact number would probably be around 5% of the potential customers has been lost.

Do you remember this thread?

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=6642

That says 50% of the people who cared enough to vote, won't be buying it.

[virre89]

Originally Posted by Igo kyu

Do you remember this thread?

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=6642

That says 50% of the people who cared enough to vote, won't be buying it.

You base it on one vote poll at 1c forums with 60 participants?
Try the poll at a the RoF community and you'd get 90% buyers votes instead so just to make it clear these polls doesn't justify the sales by any means, and we hanging around these forums doesn't make up for the majority of the customers anyway. But sure i could go and receive a 90% won't buy cod4 in a poll if placed it right by all means.. such as at a simulation forum..

[Feuerfalke]

Originally Posted by Igo kyu

Do you remember this thread?

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=6642

That says 50% of the people who cared enough to vote, won't be buying it.

That's wrong.

50% stated they won't buy it to show hope that neobq will change their minds or just to play rebellion a bit. It has no reliability on how many of those actually will buy the game.


I've got to say, that I can understand the claims that some people don't have internet access, yet would like to play the game. For those, this logging method is really a pain.
But for those damning the DRMs, it's a bit different:
1. Most current games use MUCH harder DRMs. The games are bound to your hardware and you have to unlock to play. Usually you even have to make up an online-account, even though you never play online.
2. The other games mostly additionally have a limited number of installations. DCS:BlackShark, for example uses both, limited activation and online activation.
Of course we can debate about the pros and cons, reasons behind that, etc. but it's the way it is. Looking at the micro-payware-addons neobq will offer, STEAM is the most reasonable choice, like it or not.

But to those who claim to not give away informations on the internet to anybody and post that on a forum is sort of judging with two measures. You have to create an account, accept a legal contract, your IP is logged and your email, too, of course. Not even mentioning watermarks on images in forum-signatures and information sent by your system, your browser and your router each time you log in here.
You do that freely, but don't want to connect to the internet to play a game?

And you don't really believe that steam scans your PC, do you? Come on, you can even set steam to offline-mode, so you can play Steam-games offline!

[Feathered_IV]

I wonder how many of those swearing not to buy RoF because of it's online verification don't even have a computer that can meet the minimum specs anyway?

[RickRuski]

Maybe if "Canvas Knights" gets of the ground we may see a change in attitude about offline play from the "Rise of Flight" team, I certainly hope so. There are already at least 8 WW1 planes in development now, these are some.
Albatross C3
DeHavilland DH 400
HP 400
Sopwith Pup and Snipe
Nieuports
Fokkers
Spad etc.
These will be available for online/offline play, single/multi player and full mission building as I read the development

[zapatista]

Originally Posted by virre89

the game utilize some of the latest graphic solutions on the market.

if you'r living in siberia maybe, the scenery looks like crap to me, old il2 trees on top of flat painted tiles that have no detail in them

Originally Posted by virre89

you had to bash it since the DRM doesn't suit you.

i dont care about what DRM is or will be, but i will only buy good products that are convenient for me to use whenever and wherever I want to, rather then just when some greasy haired con men think so.

to me you sound like a fanboy who'd give his soul just so he can play with a new toy, while not minding he is getting shafted by a demon at the same time

Originally Posted by virre89

Have some faith in the developers for god sake,

why ? it was a hyped product all along. it attracted attention because there was a lack of new fligtsims in the last yr or 2. pre release testing shows it is VERY buggy and they are trying to rush it out the door to recoup some money while they can. its got a wiff about it that reminds me of the wings over vietnam fiasco

Originally Posted by virre89

I tell you this, if you wanna miss out on such a great title just because of the copy protection so be it, you're loss dude and you won't be missed.
Truth is the once that were gonna buy it and really want it they buy it no matter what protection it has, i for once wouldn't miss out on it

wew is you and your bestest friend going to buy it ? and all the other kids at your skool that dont buy it isnt going to be cool and hip, just 'cause you'r cracking a stiffy at the thought of pretending to be the red baron ?

might be good enough reason for you, but the rest of the world makes their decisions based on somewhat different criteria.
- the scenery it looks like crap to me, its flat, lifeless, and has lots of old il2 trees bunched up to pretend and make it 3D.
- the planes look nice enough, but only in the same way that the il2 current planes with updated skins look nice, its got no leap forward in detail in the same way that olegs new BoB planes do
- no offline play
- no lan play, no direct pc connection play
- no dynamic campaign for solo or coop play (only on the internet)
- some big brother thing it will tag my pc and track whatever happens on it and with it, without my permission
- you need to pay to fly new planes they make, even if others already fly them against you online

no thanks, they sure aint getting my 50$


the only thing i thought looked pretty good from some of the previews, is the demo vid where they show the little balloons tracking airflow around the aircraft, and this changing with the engine being rev'd on the ground (postulating there is complex airflow/object interaction being modeled in the sky, but that is a wait and see issue to see how well it improves flight modeling). but i saw no mention of the complex airflow and weather modeling oleg is building, so that could be a fizzer to.

[virre89]

Originally Posted by zapatista

if you'r living in siberia maybe, the scenery looks like crap to me, old il2 trees on top of flat painted tiles that have no detail in them

If you fail to see the technological advancements that's being utilized in the product you're nothing but a failure to yourself. It's not even worth discussing since you're arguments are nothing but bs. Do you know anything about hardware , software and game development? If so then you might wanna reconsider.

Originally Posted by zapatista

i dont care about what DRM is or will be, but i will only buy good products that are convenient for me to use whenever and wherever I want to, rather then just when some greasy haired con men think so.

to me you sound like a fanboy who'd give his soul just so he can play with a new toy, while not minding he is getting shafted by a demon at the same time

I am the fanboy ?
Seriously who's the fanatic here..
You're the one bashing the product before it's even released and making false accusations while trying to spread the word about "OH the almighy Neoqb is coming to fool us with a product worse than IL2 only to piss people off and let's wait for the SAINT Storm of War instead people".

Originally Posted by zapatista

why ? it was a hyped product all along. it attracted attention because there was a lack of new fligtsims in the last yr or 2. pre release testing shows it is VERY buggy and they are trying to rush it out the door to recoup some money while they can. its got a wiff about it that reminds me of the wings over vietnam fiasco

First of all, pre-release testing shows huh?
Source plox?

It's been in development for over 3 years and it has nothing to do with Wings of Vietnam , another pathetic attempt to bash the product to make you feel better about yourself. (why are you even wasting your time kid)

And if RoF is a hyped product what isn't BoB then?
You claim me to be the fanboy while you're worshiping oleg confident of how it's already gonna be a 10x leap over RoF and all the others sims out there without even seeing a SINGLE game play video of it and rarly hearing any information at all.

Originally Posted by zapatista

might be good enough reason for you, but the rest of the world makes their decisions based on somewhat different criteria.
- the scenery it looks like crap to me, its flat, lifeless, and has lots of old il2 trees bunched up to pretend and make it 3D.
- the planes look nice enough, but only in the same way that the il2 current planes with updated skins look nice, its got no leap forward in detail in the same way that olegs new BoB planes do
- no offline play
- no lan play, no direct pc connection play
- no dynamic campaign for solo or coop play (only on the internet)
- some big brother thing it will tag my pc and track whatever happens on it and with it, without my permission
- you need to pay to fly new planes they make, even if others already fly them against you online

no thanks, they sure aint getting my 50$


the only thing i thought looked pretty good from some of the previews, is the demo vid where they show the little balloons tracking airflow around the aircraft, and this changing with the engine being rev'd on the ground (postulating there is complex airflow/object interaction being modeled in the sky, but that is a wait and see issue to see how well it improves flight modeling). but i saw no mention of the complex airflow and weather modeling oleg is building, so that could be a fizzer to.

Another bash attempt here we go...
Since WHEN do you know why i I buy this product?
Since WHEN do you know why everyone else doesn't or does buy it?
(pathetic once again)

I've yet to see the fake 3d models you're on about however there is no secret that in a flight simulation you've to make sacrifices in favor for performance. Seriously you can't draw over 500.000 trees that are true 100% detailed 3d models and expect to run it on a high end machine today...
I am sure that if it was possible in terms of time, money and system requirements the ROF team would love to have Crysis graphics on the ground for all entities and units just as much as the Crysis team would love to have insane flight aerodynamics and a world gameplay map as large as the one in RoF, but you see they're two different games focusing entirely on their own agenda not world domination and perfection in every corner.
(use your brain please i beg you)

Take a good look at the scenery again before you judge the game, it's not even worth discussing with you. I am glad you're not being a part of it's community tho such a wanky whiner.

[zapatista]

Originally Posted by virre89

If you fail to see the technological advancements that's being utilized in the product you're nothing but a failure to yourself.

lol you cant even think rationally

the low level aerial view and ground level views look pretty crappy, it is empty and bland. do we have to light a few joints and get in a special mood to see something revolutionary there ? its flat, empty, lifeless and boring with a few of the old dated il2 trees

Originally Posted by virre89

You're the one bashing the product before it's even released and making false accusations while trying to spread the word about "OH the almighy Neoqb is coming to fool us with a product worse than IL2 only to piss people off and let's wait for the SAINT Storm of War instead people".

what is a bit odd is that you keep being the one that turns up here and hypes this over rated crap here, maybe you got lost somewhere with all that complex clickedy-click you have to do in a browser to navigate the web, but you landed in an il2/BoB forum here

Originally Posted by virre89

And if RoF is a hyped product what isn't BoB then?
You claim me to be the fanboy while you're worshiping oleg confident of how it's already gonna be a 10x leap over RoF and all the others sims out there without even seeing a SINGLE game play video of it and rarly hearing any information at all.

your having another brain fart, got lost in where you are again ?

lemme help you out, yeps your again in an il2/BoB forum ! and guess what, thats where people get their updates on BoB and discuss it, not every other flying turd that grabs the short attention span of your limited brain power. want to discuss flying turds, go to the turd forum, you've even been warned by the moderators here before

and since you seem to know so little about il2/BoB, the 1946 addon cd already had ingame video from BoB, or did the pirated copy you downloaded not include the 2 cd ? ooops, catch you out there with your trousers down did we ?

Originally Posted by virre89

I've yet to see the fake 3d models you're on about however there is no secret that in a flight simulation you've to make sacrifices in favor for performance. Seriously you can't draw over 500.000 trees that are true 100% detailed 3d models and expect to run it on a high end machine today...

there you go again, blabbering on as if you know something profound about gaming without having a clue, and just making a string of excuses for what looks like a pretty crappy game. of course if you use 5000 of oleg's old tree types in RoF will you need a quad cray with liquid nitrogen cooling, but that the point now isnt it ? just go and refresh your mind at how stunning some of olegs new trees look compared to the old il2 ones, and hey guess what, you'll have heaps of them to running on a modern pc.

and btw, even the free new scenery maps for the il2 mods look heaps better than RoF imo, just have a little search for Canon's UK maps, and the new BoB maps being made for which screenshots have been posted on the main il2 forums in the last months.

Originally Posted by virre89

I am sure that if it was possible in terms of time, money and system requirements the ROF team would love to have Crysis graphics on the ground for all entities and units just as much as the Crysis team would love to have insane flight aerodynamics and a world gameplay map as large as the one in RoF, but you see they're two different games focusing entirely on their own agenda not world domination and perfection in every corner.

and there my little internet troll you have stepped right in the poop again

because if you look at oleg's work in progress, thats exactly what a next level new flightsim should take us, and by oleg reports of progress that is exactly what he is aiming for. the ground objects and planes look absolutely stunning in detail, so good in fact many of us are speculating it might incorporate a 1e person shooter environment at some point.

add to that online-offline play, dynamic campaigns, a reputable product from a designer with a good track record, well you get my drift, it's gonna be a hoot and no hype needed.