Ki-43-II Kai is actually a -III model?

[taly001]

Thanks for looking at it, What worried me most was the il-2 speeds@altitudes for Ki-43-II and Ki-43-II kai were identical!?! From my research......

Model 1 (10/1941) 564L tanks and 11.43m wingspan, variations in MGs 1 or 2 x 7.7/12.7mm.

Model 2 (11/1942) 528L tanks introduced (basic anti-leak wrapping), 2x12.7mm.

Model 2B (8/1943) 10.83m wingspan introduced. rear facing exhausts.

Model 2kai (7/1944) ejector exhaust 1-3-2.

Model 3 (10/1944) ejector exhaust 2-3-2, engine gets MW50 (~100L tank behind cockpit) and higher altitude for 2nd stage on supercharger.

There were noticeable variations on the MG blast tubes and engine oil coolers also during production.

[shelby]

check this
http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=32946
i hope some day will fix them

[Pursuivant]

So, DT has known about the problem for years and hasn't fixed it yet.

From what I can tell, the modders haven't fixed this problem either.

Clearly not a whole lot of love for the Hayabusa!

[shelby]

The modders did not have access in burnindo books or at least the players did not care about the plane.

[taly001]

I think team "Greybeard" made a correct Ki-43-IIB, but I don't know if they ever got TD to add it. The current il2 Ki-43-II Kai has the wrong performance and wrong 3D model!?

Each improved version of Ki-43 added about 10-15kph. The Ki-43-III actually matches the late model Zero A6M5s.

[Pursuivant]

Originally Posted by taly001

I think team "Greybeard" made a correct Ki-43-IIB, but I don't know if they ever got TD to add it.

Many mod teams don't like DT and don't share their work with them.

I enjoy the modded version of IL2 for the vast variety of aircraft available, but I like the official version because of the vastly improved AI which was introduced in 4.13.

Originally Posted by taly001

Each improved version of Ki-43 added about 10-15kph. The Ki-43-III actually matches the late model Zero A6M5s.

I've always gotten the impression that the Ki-43 had a slightly better roll and turn rate than the Zero, but much less potential to upgrade the airframe and armament. I'm also not sure if the Ki-43 ever suffered from the problem of heavy controls at high speeds.

Those features make the Ki-43-III an unusual aircraft for a late war fighter - a vicious turn fighter, but very little punch so you have to choose your shots carefully.

[taly001]

Those features make the Ki-43-III an unusual aircraft for a late war fighter - a vicious turn fighter, but very little punch so you have to choose your shots carefully.

The JAAF failures to make the Ki-61 reliable and the problems sorting out the Ki-84 kept the Ki-43 in service 2 years past its use by date. Nakajima factories didn't fully change to Ki-84 production until 9/1944. But Tachikawa factories kept making Ki-43-III.

Its really challenging to fly in Il2 as you need to drag the enemy AI into a turn or climb where they lose speed, I once had a 40 minute dogfight Ki-43-II vs a AI P47D-10, I kept climbing and dodging and eventually I suckered him into loosing enough speed for me to nail him.

The simplest fix for the il2 Ki-43-II Kai would be to rename it -III and do a -III flight model tweak. The -III was used at Iwo Jima by 23rd Sentai in 2/45 and Okinawa 4/45 by at least 6 Sentai's so it actually suits il2 default map sets.

[shelby]

i found this also
https://www.scribd.com/document/2113...Hayabusa-Oscar

[shelby]

and more details
https://www.scribd.com/document/3303...busa-Oscar-pdf

[taly001]

and more details https://www.scribd.com/document/3303...busa-Oscar-pdf

Interesting found out that the small cylinder under the fuselage of late model Ki-43 is a fuel cooler!

Pictures of early model II seem to have the longer pointed tip wings.....although Aero Detail claim all II had the shorter rounder tip wing?