A very bad learning tool.....

[dimlee]

Originally Posted by TheGrunch

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Offline, you can create a file which Il-2
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Kudos to TheGrunch for this very useful information.
I just returned to IL2 after 5 years break, with new equipment at my desk, and was surprised by difficultiy of spotting targets at higher resolution monitor.
Now I can change icons visibility in offline training missions.
Thanks again, TheGrunch.

[TheGrunch]

No probs! I think in honesty it should probably be a game setting like any other, might be worth mentioning in the DT requests thread.

[KG26_Alpha]

Icon Settings:

You can change your icon types and distances by typing these variables in console in game the command syntax is:
mp_dotrange [FRIENDLY|FOE] [DEFAULT] [COLOR<km>] [DOT <km>] [RANGE <km>] [TYPE <km>] [ID <km>] [NAME <km>]
FRIENDLY or FOE keywords define which party the following parameters apply to the aircraft of the viewer’s army, or the aircraft of the hostile armies.

The following keys define
the distance at which the appropriate icon is enabled:
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COLOR: The distance at which icons take the color of the inbound plane’s army.
Icons farther away will be drawn in grey.
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DOT: The distance at which the “dot” plane marker becomes visible.
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RANGE: The distance at which the distance measurement appears in the icon.
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TYPE: The distance at which the airplane model or model family becomes visible.
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ID: The distance at which the tactical number is visible.
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NAME: The distance at which the aircraft’s pilot name is visible (if it is driven by a
human pilot).
mp_dotrange DEFAULT restores the Pacific Fighters predefined icon setup. mp_dotrange run without parameters prints the current icon setup ranger, which may be issued by both client and server.
(e.g mp_dotrange FRIENDLY COLOR 0.1 DOT 15 RANGE 5 TYPE 0.1 ID 0.1 NAME 2.5
This will give you friendly info at Aircraft dot at 15km range at 5km Pilot
name 2.5km all other at 100metres



Additional icon options

Three more options were added for mp_dotrange command:
ALTICON,

ALTCOLOR,

ALTSYMBOL.

ALTICON sets the maximum distance when the icon will be shown. ALTCOLOR sets the color of
the icon.

ALTSYMBOL sets the one character symbol which will be shown as icon.

These settings only kick in when old style icons are not shown, i.e. when distance of COLOR, TYPE, NAME, ID and RANGE are smaller than the distance to the aircraft.

Example:
mp_dotrange FRIENDLY DOT 25.0 COLOR 0.1 RANGE 0.1 TYPE 1.0 ID 0.1 NAME 0.1 ALTICON 2.5 ALTSYMBOL + ALTCOLOR 3

This will display a symbol "+" above the aircraft between 1.0 and 2.5 km in color 3 (green).

[Jumoschwanz]

Originally Posted by Woke Up Dead

Well then you've proven my point, haven't you? You fly on different servers, and I bet you got a lot more dogfighting practice on the ones with easy settings, I know I did.
I fly on a closed-pit war server, dogfights are extremely rare there.

Woke, your logic and thinking is still flawed.

Anyone can set up a dueling or fast-dogfight server with either easy or realistic settings. If you duel with easy settings you will learn less than those who duel on hard settings, very simple.

If you practice with unlimited ammo for instance, you will spoil yourself and not learn to get as much done with a limited amount of ammo, the list goes on and on.

I started out flying realistic settings right off the bat, I was lucky, and it is why I don't need unlimited ammo, icons, outside views or "wonder woman" to cut it in any sort of combat.

As to Alphas comments that "it is just a game", sure it is to some, those who fly easy settings for sure. But a lot of people want a simulation, those who fly realistic settings. If you want to eliminate all public debate on the subject this forum is set up for then maybe you should just close it and change it's format to simple pages of information?

As to real WWII pilots having super eyesight, you can read ANY first-hand account of WWII combat pilots and they will be talking about how some of them could see far better than others, and how with time some of them cultivated the ability to know where to look for items of interest, this exact same thing happens in IL2 on hard settings, everyone has different hardware and different eyes so it simulates the variety found in real life. Some pilots in WWII were smarter than others too, and that gave them better use of the information before their eyes or where to find it, same with IL2 pilots.

I know IL2 pilots with very new computers and huge monitors, but they are not as smart as others who have lesser hardware and get shot down all the time. It is exactly like a pilot crying that his plane is not as good as the guy who shot him down, when in fact you can read Chuck Yeager's book and see how he says that it is the guy with the most experience that will win, hardware means nothing.

So if you are having fun flying Easy settings on IL2 and you are happy then great, I was never talking about you so go un-bunch your panties and take your ego back home. I was simply stating that those who DO want to learn to fly realistic-settings will learn best by flying realistic settings, those are the guys I am talking to, the simmers not the "gamers".

[Igo kyu]

Originally Posted by Jumoschwanz

those are the guys I am talking to, the simmers not the "gamers".

I wonder what "simmer's gate" will be about?

[Woke Up Dead]

Originally Posted by Jumoschwanz

Woke, your logic and thinking is still flawed.

Anyone can set up a dueling or fast-dogfight server with either easy or realistic settings. If you duel with easy settings you will learn less than those who duel on hard settings, very simple.

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I started out flying realistic settings right off the bat, I was lucky, and it is why I don't need unlimited ammo, icons, outside views or "wonder woman" to cut it in any sort of combat.

Sure, anyone CAN set up a dueling or fast-dogfight server with realistic settings, but most dueling or fast-dogfight servers have easy settings, especially these days when there are fewer servers around. So most of the best duelists and dog-fighters these days fly on easier setting servers, whether by choice or necessity.

I started off with wonder-woman on busy servers and got TONS of practice in turning, dog-fighting, energy management, shooting, etc; I got pretty good at fighting opponents that I could see.

Moving from an open pit server to a closed-pit one with externals, I overcame the challenge of not being able to see through my plane's nose. It took a few days, but my gunnery adjusted and again I got pretty good at fighting and shooting opponents I could see on such servers.

Moving from closed-pit with externals to full-switch servers I had some trouble with situational awareness and would put myself in bad situations where I would get bounced or outnumbered by opponents I didn't see, but that only lasted for a couple of weeks. Once I overcame that I found that I was better at turning, dog-fighting, energy management, and shooting than all but a handful of the very best pilots on that full-switch server; see all the practice I got two paragraphs above.

There's no substitute for practice, you get the most practice on busy servers, and most busy servers have relaxed settings. Boxers practice with helmets, big puffy gloves, and different rules than in real fights. Hockey players practice without the full-contact or rough play they get in real matches. Basketball players practice the same 2v1 break against a single defender over and over. All of those things make it "easier" than the "full real" or league games, but it doesn't make them pick up bad habits, it makes them better because of the repetition.

[Jumoschwanz]

Originally Posted by Woke Up Dead

I found that I was better at turning, dog-fighting, energy management, and shooting than all but a handful of the very best pilots on that full-switch server;

Yea, it would make sense that somebody doing something for a short time would be better at it than those who had done it for years, that is just the way the world works.

I am sure we would all like to see the stat page for this full-switch server you are at the top of......thanks in advance!

[KG26_Alpha]

The simmers will "out sim" themselves and we will be left with the gamers still having fun gaming.

I can do both quite well but I fly CooPs mostly in "non serious mode" we all have fun on TS and lots of friendly banter is thrown around.

Take your game how you like it, that's why the different settings are there.

But......

If you are a stats monger and hunt single handedly with no wingman on a df server then your gaming the game no matter how you dress it up.

IMHO

[sniperton]

Alpha, is there a way to make icon settings (as described in #33) default? I mean an auto-loading script instead of typing every time in console. Thanks

[Woke Up Dead]

Originally Posted by Jumoschwanz

Yea, it would make sense that somebody doing something for a short time would be better at it than those who had done it for years, that is just the way the world works.

I am sure we would all like to see the stat page for this full-switch server you are at the top of......thanks in advance!

Who said I was doing it for a short time? I've been flying on various servers for years, on full-switch servers for the past year or so. Anyways, it's not about how long, but how often. On a crowded air-start easy setting server you can get into a fight every other minute or so. On the full-switch server I fly it takes 5-10 minutes just to takeoff and go to the target area, more if you also want to enter with good altitude and from an unexpected angle, and then you're not guaranteed to meet anyone there either.

I try not to obsess about my stats too much, so they're not that impressive; I fly fighters, bombers, ground attack, bomber support, help out team-mates in bad positions, etc, I take my lumps. But when I encounter an enemy on roughly even terms or at a small disadvantage I either win or successfully disengage nine times out of ten.

Here's my stats from when I started flying full-switch and flew the red site on Frontove Nebo, lost more than won initially, 50/50 more recently: http://www.il2.org.ru/war/pilot/wars?pilotid=45174

Switched to blue the last couple of months. Even though I rarely fly and don't know German planes that well, last war the only person to shoot me down was the top red pilot: http://www.il2.org.ru/war/pilot/wars?pilotid=46333. A 2.33 kill/death ratio in the most recent war (albeit a small sample), not bad seeing that only a third of those sorties were in a good fighter (109F4) while the rest were in bombers and older fighter planes: http://www.il2.org.ru/war/pilot/plan...&pilotid=46333. For comparison, your current ratio on Vinny Puh where you fly the 109G2 most of the time and fighters all of the time is about 0.7: http://212.192.155.118/index.php?nav...820/index.html.

I do alright despite all my really bad learning tools.