SOW: your thoughts on clickable cockpits and realistic start-up

[LEXX]

Black Shark has only one cockpit right?

Chiz::

What do you guys think?

At the top of this thread, there are two long quotes explaining this. Read them and you will figure it out.

[Talisman]

I am not interested in using mouse for clickable cockpit. I think Oleg has the right approach.

Happy landings,

Talisman

[Thunderbolt56]

"clickpits" are useless to me and I'm in accord with Alpha on this one too. If you want to make "complete" CEM a part of it, then that's cool. Having some additional toggle switches to enable certain aspects would be fun IMO. Besides, difficulty settings are set server-side anyway and if it's not done well (or too cumbersome for most) it could just be turned off.

I'm all for adding more elements of realism to CEM, but that aspect mostly appeals to the FSX crowd than to the average WWII virtual combat pilot. If shifting COG is modeled as fuel is burned and ordnance/ammo is used instead of just overall weight, then that would be a nice touch as well.

I wouldn't say no to having complete CEM modeled to its limits and having the ability to implement different aspects as collective pilot ability increases, but having it only on a single "on/off" switch would be too much for the vast majority IMO.

[robtek]

For me the cockpit doesn´t have to be clickable.
What i want is a more realistic engine management and that includes the starting procedure.
It will bring more immersion and would also, by chance, keep away the "join, throttle to 100%, start run in which direction the plane is pointing at this time - player"
Also it should be felt if you abuse your engine (too hot, too cold, too much rpm)
With the really complex engine management the different workload for the pilots would be simulated at last.
And if that is implemented it could also be clickable, for those who like it.

[Chivas]

I don't find clickable cockpits usefull or immersive, But being able to map the Magneto's Fuelcock's, Primer's and Ingine start button to my Hotas very usefull and immersive.

[ECV56_LeChuck]

Agree with Chivas and robtek. Today, with IL-2, all the planes work the same way. Engine on, full power, and go. That´s no realistic at all, and have a bad and negative effects on pilots.
If, for example, the pilots must set the mixture before starting the engine, gives another depth to simulation.

[HR_Zunzun]

I find start up procedure a "must have" for a sim that claims is going to be the more complex ever created. If latter the complete procedure will be used or not by the user is another matter. It is just a matter of doing of it an option in the difficulty settings.
Regarding the cockpit I find it quite inmersive as well, especially for thing like fuel selectors, primer, magnetos.....(so if you are going to have a complete start up procedure is very handy). Again, could be an option and not that hard to implement as Bob2 had it more than 6-8 year ago.

[Snuff_Pidgeon]

As an option i think it is a good idea, then when you dont want it, just turn that option off simple..

[SlipBall]

I would enjoy more complexity, hate the mouse thing thow, but binding to key's would be nice. The very first thing I was tought, once inside the cockpit, was to set the altimeter gauge. Having complexity switch for off-line use would make me happy.


I think sims should evolve to as close to real as possible, that's what a sim is

[nearmiss]

Interesting

You know guys you might want to take up for real in the air in a real airplane flying. If you desire full real startups and clickable cockpits and such. I'm not laying a trip on you here. I mean it.

Think about it, you may just need to take the next step and go take some flying lessons.

The one thing about real flying and doing a flight simulator. You get a little of the fun things of real world flying, but you don't have to do all the mundane (extremely) important detail requirements.

Honestly, can't see why anyone wants to spend 15 minutes and pre-flight check to move their joystick around and fly the virtual world. The idea of looking around the cockpit for the right switch to click when the keyboard is so accessible seems a little much.

Not knocking anyones penchant for reality, just wondering how far you gotta go with a combat flight simulator.

I do WW2 flight simulators only, early jets can be fun too.

If you want to do the full real bit there is an old sim that still has an enormous number of followers and updates are constantly released by 3rd party. That is the Falcon 4.0.

Look into Falcon 4.0 if you want to get into serious air combat simulation. Not only do you get the switches, startups... but you get a great warhorse aircraft (F-16) still flying today in many countries.

One great thing about it when you fly against the AI you have an advantage we don't have with WW2 aircraft, radar. Radar lets you fly and fight in the surreal world of the AI. You can see the enemy when he isn't visible to your eyes, and you can shoot him down only to see a few puffs of smoke.