Il-2 MODs

[Bandit Bill]

Originally Posted by Bearcat

So ... all the mods are cheats right?

Y'see the thing that you don't get is that while there may be cheat mods out there.. I can't deny that.. I haven't seen any but I cant deny that they exist... but here you say
that because a person is using mods they can't possibly know about cheats.. what.. you think it is like some kind of virus or something...

MODS DO NOT EQUAL CHEATS. JUST BECAUSE A PERSON USES MODS DOES NOT MEAN THAT HE/SHE CONDONES OR PRACTICES CHEATING.

Just because a person uses mods does not mean that their version of the sim is hot and ready to become a cheat factory. That is not how the mods work. The majority of those mods have nothing to do with FMs or DMs at all....



Well maybe you just hang out with the wrong class of people.. All the ones I hang out with on either side if the mods issue wouldn't think a victory gained by a cheat was worth the time it took to achieve.

I do think that if a server host wants a mod free server he is entitled to that regardless to the mod. I have come to see these mods however as more functionality. While as I asid I am sure there are FDW mods.. most of them just add functionality.

Bearcat:

Seriously, give it up man.

The only thing i see between that now locked post from 1 year back, and this one, is that the date has changed.

The Purists have made their choice, and despite the 'Puritan' holier than thou attitude that they hold in doing so publicly, it is their choice to do so after all.

We are all a year down the road. I've only just rejoined the fold of IL2 use after an extended period of illness, and mods or not, i'm grateful to be doing so. The Mods have 'come a long way, baby' in a short 8 months. They simply build upon the foundation of what is Oleg's vision and talent, and the IL2 series. The mods that i've used to date compliment Oleg's work - rather than deface it.

As far as the CFS series supposedly dying a death caused by cheating, they didn't. In relative terms, they just plain sucked. period. They were in my experience, generally berift of 'soul'.. they were a generic flight simulator, unlike the IL2's more focused approach to it. The CFS series was a design by committee exercise.. too many chefs in the cook-house, not enough burger flipping going on.. CFS* showed that in my opinion. This is why IL2 continues to enjoy success - the modders are expanding on the 'soul' that exists in IL2, mods or not.

In the 6 pages in to this thread that i've read, i still see the vitriole from the purists that existed in that same locked thread from a year ago. What i see largely absent is any arguments or commentary from the modder viewpoint in this thread. The modders have moved on, perhaps the purists should too. In any case, vitriole is pointless.

As to where i stand, it's pretty clear - i'm a mod user, and i'll make no apologies for that.

I'm also no cheat, and will stand for no cheating. I'm 40, not 4.

[flyingbullseye]

You know I may not have been here or at the UBI forums as long as many of the veterns have but here's my take.

I use the mods, fly completely offline and only a month ago finally bought/upgraded to 1946 from 4.04m. Had the mods not existed I never would have bought another copy for I wouldn't have had any reason to. What would I gain, stupid aircraft that never left the restraunt napkin and maybe a new map? Big deal. I could live without that. I'm sure I'm not the only one that has finally upgraded this sim to 1946 now. In order to use them I HAD to buy a copy, this in turn adds another sale to the total that in turn helps Oleg and team, now one more of many.

Attitude aside from both communities (mod site and this one) as mentioned many are very good. The sound mod itself has added a little more immursion as does the new cloud effects, many needed left out maps and a number of much needed a/c and cockpit repaints. ala 109E. What I don't see going on there as opposed to the MS CFS sims is retarded mods. I don't see corsairs with flak for guns, independence day alien ships jacked FM/DM and the like but new a/c, effects ect that are historical. All that aside look at CFS2,3 and some of the good addons released. If they didn't have mod tools, regardless whether given by the devs or not, good or bad realistic/historically both would have died long ago ESPECIALLY CFS 3.

I don't see and am not aware of any pay for addons, or that the code is released to the public via internet or any of the like. Had any of that gone on I'd be completely against it. As it stands you need to pay Oleg for the sim in order to get the free mods. Even if Oleg released mod tools there is a good chance that this argument would still be going on.

My 0.02

Flyingbullseye