Il-2 MODs

[SlipBall]

So, this is the result's of a hacked then modded game. A divided community, a dislike of one another based on their stated beliefs. I think it much better to leave a great sim like IL2 alone, in the first place. Then we will only hate those that shoot us down...no going back now, enjoy it the way that you perfer

[Bearcat]

I dont dislike anyone here... What I dislike is people saying that they don't think mods in and of themselves are cheats.. yet in just about every sentence that has the word mod in it cheats are close behind.. and the relation of the two words by these postedrs insinuates that the two are equal and they arent. In the bigger scheme of things.. my having Redtail skins as the defaults for my mustangs, or having a custom splash screen, or even the 6DoF mod.. constitutes no discernable advantage over someone who does not have these things. With the 6DoF I mean if I am flying against someone who has TIR4 w/o 6Dof and I have the 6DoF.. there is not much difference in the sense that the action is fluid... and since both users are constantly moving me being able to glimpse the tip of a wing from behind a spar means little.

This thread is a waste of time because everyone here has their views. I used to feel the same way as many of the anti modders and it was only when the potential fears that I had were not realized .. from the quality of the mods to the proliferation of cheats that I decided to try them and I am glad I did.

I have purchased enough copies of this series through out the past 7 years.. and I am talking more than 10 here at full retail price mind you, except for the last 2 copies of 46.. they were $20... if you add up the entire series and include gifts spares etc.... Not to mention the hundreds spent on upgrading my rig to use the software... then factoring in the time spent actually using it, promoting it, because I do... all the time. I have most of the videos on my laptop... not to mention about 200 screenshots... If I get into the copies I actually sold when I either worked retail at my local Best Buy or while just browsing in a store that sold the product and saw someone checking out the flight sims... I think I have more than earned the right to choose from something that is available to me... that is not taking money from Oleg's pocket. These mods are not being sold... no one is making money off the work... or taking food off 1C's collective tables... I don't know why 4.09 was not released .. perhaps it does have just about all to do with the mods.. I don't know and Oleg isn't talking... but these mods have been an improvement to my enjoyment of the sim.... and I don't knowingly associate with cheaters... so if you are against mods.. fine.. if you are against cheats.... that's fine too... but mod=cheat does not compute with me. Cheaters cheat...

[Wolf_Rider]

I did mention, "however self justified"... didn't I?


Cheaters cheat and hackers steal

[Urufu_Shinjiro]

And whiners whine and trolls troll....

[JG52Uther]

So just why has this all started again?
Pretty much everything posted here is in the same thread from a year ago,with maybe a little less abuse (so far)
Most peoples opinions have changed,some have not.But other than that,it is all EXACTLY the same!
This will run for a hundred pages,get more and more abusive,and in the end everyone will be back where they started.
Pathetic.

[SlipBall]

Originally Posted by JG52Uther

So just why has this all started again?
Pretty much everything posted here is in the same thread from a year ago,with maybe a little less abuse (so far)
Most peoples opinions have changed,some have not.But other than that,it is all EXACTLY the same!
This will run for a hundred pages,get more and more abusive,and in the end everyone will be back where they started.
Pathetic.

It just show's the passion that we all hold for this stellar sim. I think after SOW release, things should calm down a bit...untill SOW is cracked that is!

[311thCopperhead]

Originally Posted by Urufu_Shinjiro

And whiners whine and trolls troll....

yeah so wich one are you?

[Bandit Bill]

Originally Posted by Bearcat

So ... all the mods are cheats right?

Y'see the thing that you don't get is that while there may be cheat mods out there.. I can't deny that.. I haven't seen any but I cant deny that they exist... but here you say
that because a person is using mods they can't possibly know about cheats.. what.. you think it is like some kind of virus or something...

MODS DO NOT EQUAL CHEATS. JUST BECAUSE A PERSON USES MODS DOES NOT MEAN THAT HE/SHE CONDONES OR PRACTICES CHEATING.

Just because a person uses mods does not mean that their version of the sim is hot and ready to become a cheat factory. That is not how the mods work. The majority of those mods have nothing to do with FMs or DMs at all....



Well maybe you just hang out with the wrong class of people.. All the ones I hang out with on either side if the mods issue wouldn't think a victory gained by a cheat was worth the time it took to achieve.

I do think that if a server host wants a mod free server he is entitled to that regardless to the mod. I have come to see these mods however as more functionality. While as I asid I am sure there are FDW mods.. most of them just add functionality.

Bearcat:

Seriously, give it up man.

The only thing i see between that now locked post from 1 year back, and this one, is that the date has changed.

The Purists have made their choice, and despite the 'Puritan' holier than thou attitude that they hold in doing so publicly, it is their choice to do so after all.

We are all a year down the road. I've only just rejoined the fold of IL2 use after an extended period of illness, and mods or not, i'm grateful to be doing so. The Mods have 'come a long way, baby' in a short 8 months. They simply build upon the foundation of what is Oleg's vision and talent, and the IL2 series. The mods that i've used to date compliment Oleg's work - rather than deface it.

As far as the CFS series supposedly dying a death caused by cheating, they didn't. In relative terms, they just plain sucked. period. They were in my experience, generally berift of 'soul'.. they were a generic flight simulator, unlike the IL2's more focused approach to it. The CFS series was a design by committee exercise.. too many chefs in the cook-house, not enough burger flipping going on.. CFS* showed that in my opinion. This is why IL2 continues to enjoy success - the modders are expanding on the 'soul' that exists in IL2, mods or not.

In the 6 pages in to this thread that i've read, i still see the vitriole from the purists that existed in that same locked thread from a year ago. What i see largely absent is any arguments or commentary from the modder viewpoint in this thread. The modders have moved on, perhaps the purists should too. In any case, vitriole is pointless.

As to where i stand, it's pretty clear - i'm a mod user, and i'll make no apologies for that.

I'm also no cheat, and will stand for no cheating. I'm 40, not 4.

[flyingbullseye]

You know I may not have been here or at the UBI forums as long as many of the veterns have but here's my take.

I use the mods, fly completely offline and only a month ago finally bought/upgraded to 1946 from 4.04m. Had the mods not existed I never would have bought another copy for I wouldn't have had any reason to. What would I gain, stupid aircraft that never left the restraunt napkin and maybe a new map? Big deal. I could live without that. I'm sure I'm not the only one that has finally upgraded this sim to 1946 now. In order to use them I HAD to buy a copy, this in turn adds another sale to the total that in turn helps Oleg and team, now one more of many.

Attitude aside from both communities (mod site and this one) as mentioned many are very good. The sound mod itself has added a little more immursion as does the new cloud effects, many needed left out maps and a number of much needed a/c and cockpit repaints. ala 109E. What I don't see going on there as opposed to the MS CFS sims is retarded mods. I don't see corsairs with flak for guns, independence day alien ships jacked FM/DM and the like but new a/c, effects ect that are historical. All that aside look at CFS2,3 and some of the good addons released. If they didn't have mod tools, regardless whether given by the devs or not, good or bad realistic/historically both would have died long ago ESPECIALLY CFS 3.

I don't see and am not aware of any pay for addons, or that the code is released to the public via internet or any of the like. Had any of that gone on I'd be completely against it. As it stands you need to pay Oleg for the sim in order to get the free mods. Even if Oleg released mod tools there is a good chance that this argument would still be going on.

My 0.02

Flyingbullseye

[311thCopperhead]

Originally Posted by DoolittleRaider

By Oleg's own admission in posts at the UBI Forums several years ago, the "On-liners" comprise no more than 5% of all IL2 series purchasers. They are, of course, by definition the most active on the internet and also most active and vocal on the various internet Forums, and thus they appear very erroneously to be the overwhelming 'majority'...they are not, by any stretch of the imagination.

Those 'on-liners' who "Cheat", as noted in an earlier post above, are clearly the very immature element who likewise are in the even more extreme minority, my guess being less than 5 in a hundred...which equates to less than 1/4 of One percent of all the purchasers (customers) of Oleg's IL2 series of products. This miniscule segment of the customer base, and also those who are obsessed with preventing their "Cheating", have wagged the tail of Oleg 1C's company for far too long...and I think he finally realized it.

Oleg could have extended the life of his IL2 series product line and made a lot more profit/money by welcoming the Modders into the fold, perhaps even hiring them to produce such improved Mods for sale under the umbrella of 1C's production efforts, rather than combating/resisting their MODding efforts.

The MODs have brought a whole new Life to the IL2 series, in spite of that resistance, winning many new Fans (IL2 CUSTOMERS) and thereby expanding the potential retail customer base for SOW:BofB....far moreso than would be the case resulting from any continued catering to the wagging tail. imho

These "new fans" ergo, "new customers" as you call them....they are not buying the sim. they are not putting money in Olegs/1C's pockets....they're STEALING. none of them need to purchase the game any more. when it can be had for free download. The mods ppl have made it compleatly unnessacary to purchase the game any more.
So while ppl my self who have spent hundreds of dollars buying each consecutive release of the sim....they're getting it for free.
How fair is that? not very at all.