korean war sim?

[virre89]

Originally Posted by virre89

I don't see them very interesting at all.
My passion stays with ww2, looking forward to SoW above anything.

If anything i'd also love a serious new modern combat flight sim, there is lockon but it's a mediocre half finished product in my eyes done on a small budget.

Need something with as much dedication & quality as the Maddox Games have.

Creators of Lockon have already started a new series called DCS with first installment already released. It's the most authentic and realistic simulator to date, yes it even beats il2 and it's focused on mc.

Reason why it beats any other sim is that they focus only on one aircraft at the time, so if you want a brilliant MC simulator checkout DCS and future modules will include fighter jets, apaches with more.

There's no need for oleg and the boys to go MC, Eagle Dynamics is taking well care of that ERA, oleg and the guys should stay with ww2 were they are dominating everyone.

[LEXX]

What is MC?

There's no need for oleg and the boys to go MC, Eagle Dynamics is taking well care of that ERA,

There's a gap bigger than the Cold War between WW2 and the copy-pasted superHUDjetsims where all the copy pasted superMFDjets look the same.


What dev will be the first to offer Su-7 cockpit out of box?

[Brain32]

Originally Posted by Ctrl E

personally, I can't wait to get a mig in the gunsights of my f-86.

Oh man, I can't even describe how much I'm looking forward to Galba project, after that I would really like to see Vietnam, probably the last conflict without super-fancy electronics, still with lot's of gunfighting and with BVR being just a baby.
I can tell you one thing, ever since I tried to down a MiG-17 with F-4B armed only with missiles in Thirdwire's Wings Over Vietnam I was thinking how great would it be for someone to make a true HD Vietnam sim.

[Flyby]

I most look forward to a classic Korean air war sim where at least the MiG and the Sabre are modeled to a high fidelity FM. After all, they are the stars of the "show". But I wouldn't mind if the developers took a page from DCS; model only a few a/c to a high degree at a time. I'd like to see the Naval jets come along eventually, plus the piston engined combat a/c of both sides of the conflict. Perhaps with such an implementation the FMs would suit the vast majority of simmers who are interested in realisticly modeled a/c (as close to real as can be had on a pc in a combat simulation with a lot of other stuff asking for cpu and gpu resources). The drawback might be having to live with only a few planes available to breathers at a time until more can be added. That's the DCS dilema, imho. It released Black Shark, and that's the only breather machine in the sim at the moment. I think the A10C is next. Anyone with a preference for flying online against other breathers will much prefer to fly against E/A, imho.
As for the other conflicts mentioned here I have the same view for releasing a/c.
Now, go forth and OBEY ME!!!!
Flyby out

[IceFire]

I wouldn't mind some loss in fidelity if it means a few more types. Variety is very good to have I think. But definitely the F-86 and MiG-15 are what immediately comes to mind with Korea. After that the Mustang and Corsair are there as well.

I'm going to be completely selfish and hope for a Sea Fury as that'd be great.

I believe the rumors suggest a strong chance of some sort of Gloster Meteor variant which will be interesting. Apparently the Meteor in Korea was not competitive in any great amount with the MiG-15 but I'd be flying it nonetheless.

[Flyby]

hey ice,
I was only thinking along the lines of how people still complain about the Uber aircraft of IL2, whether the plane is actually uber or not. Get two planes pretty much correct before adding other flyables. But I see merit in your point too, thought it might put us back on the road to complaints about uber-craft in the sim. I suppose I mostly agree with you, though, based on my day-dreams of online flying escort in either the MiG or the Sabre, or maybe even flying CAP for ground troops, or flying strike aircraft off of carriers. I just want the sim sooner rather than later!
Flyby out

[IceFire]

Originally Posted by 99th_Flyby

hey ice,
I was only thinking along the lines of how people still complain about the Uber aircraft of IL2, whether the plane is actually uber or not. Get two planes pretty much correct before adding other flyables. But I see merit in your point too, thought it might put us back on the road to complaints about uber-craft in the sim. I suppose I mostly agree with you, though, based on my day-dreams of online flying escort in either the MiG or the Sabre, or maybe even flying CAP for ground troops, or flying strike aircraft off of carriers. I just want the sim sooner rather than later!
Flyby out

I know what you mean but I think its a futile endeavor. Getting two planes "correct" will never happen because as far as people in general are concerned its not right according to what they read/heard/saw a chart for. And then we'll argue over which chart is more valid and the testing conditions and then we'll have the nationalistic bias comments and...it'll go on forever.

Oleg isn't an idiot...I trust him to get the data mostly right. I trust the community to call out the major inaccuracies (which is why I believe those discussions aren't totally without merit) and provide additional information to fine tune issues. But ultimately if we have the scenario where two planes are released and we "work on getting those just right"...it'll never be done.

So I'm in favour of spending similar time on the flight modeling as IL-2...BUT...with a hopefully more accurate/"easier to work with for Oleg's team" flight modeling system in the new engine and if tweaks are needed...they are. Give me more planes

I'd also like to add that NK Yak-9Ps and Po-2s would also be fantastic additions to the stable of Korea aircraft. I think it'd be great to be flying along at 170kph while a F-86 tries to down you flying at 700 kph

[Flyby]

you're a wise one, Ice. in Oleg we trust. I just hope that he can offer some balance in the selection of aircraft. You mention the NK Yak9P so I'd like to see the UN counter (Seafire?) and so forth. Oh, and expect that Sabre to B&Z that slow-flying NK plane, of course.
Flyby out

[Ctrl E]

Originally Posted by IceFire

I wouldn't mind some loss in fidelity if it means a few more types. Variety is very good to have I think. But definitely the F-86 and MiG-15 are what immediately comes to mind with Korea. After that the Mustang and Corsair are there as well.

I'm going to be completely selfish and hope for a Sea Fury as that'd be great.

I believe the rumors suggest a strong chance of some sort of Gloster Meteor variant which will be interesting. Apparently the Meteor in Korea was not competitive in any great amount with the MiG-15 but I'd be flying it nonetheless.

this is great news about the meteor. just got done reading doug hurst's history of RAAF 77 squadron in korea. heaps of stories about their fight using mustangs and meteors. sounds like the meteor wasn't a complete dog at low altitude against migs, but it wasn't great either (if the creators are reading this - i'm more than willing to send yoyu my dog-eared copy. heaps of pics and ideas for missions).

also, i hope we get some ground crew simulated for korean carrier ops. rent the movie bridges at toko ri and get inspired guys.

cheers and keep up the good work.

[ElAurens]

I too would like a good Viet Nam sim, but there are many stumbling blocks that really put it out of the question. The biggest being the absolute necessity for a "GiB" (Guy in Back). The aircraft of the era (especially the US ones) were trying for technological levels that we have today, but with 1960's computing power on board. No single seater would be effective simply because of task saturation of the pilot, hence the proliferation of 2 seat fighters of the period. (The F4, and, F-105 in particular come to mind).

For these types to work for our purposes we would have to have a very sophisticated AI "GiB". I can't see that happening anytime soon. And even though we could still have plenty of cool single seaters, (Mig 17, Crusader, Skyraider, etc...), not having an F-105 for Wild Weasel missions would take a very important element out of the sim.