Mossie speed

[Bobb4]

I think if you took any plane and really asked around you would find someone not happy about historical performance vs ingame play.
The Mossie may have got a raw deal, but take an Me109F2 out for a spin and see how that one anoys the gronards.
Would I like a faster Mossie sure, but then I would want the recon missions that go with it.
I would also like night fighters all I hope will eventually make its way into SOW.
One must remember that the original IL2 did not even have a player flyable Stuka and this feature was only introduced in patch 1.2
My guess why we do not have a decent Mossie is simple, lack of community interest, pure and simple.
It could easily have been modded by now and i am sure Oleg would have jumped at adding it in. but no-one did so..
Lets hope in SOW some modder takes an interest in the Mossie and for that matter all the lovely French fighters from the Phoney war

[mondo]

Originally Posted by 41Sqn_Banks

The obvious reason why we do not have a NF mark of the Mosquito in the game is that the game doesn't simulate night bomber/fighter operations.

Night ground attack is only limited to mission designers imaginations. There have been several good night fighter third party campaigns, one that sticks out is for the Beaufighter. People also forget that Mosquito's were used successfully as ground attack aircraft at night by the 2nd TAF in 44/45.

[KG26_Alpha]

Originally Posted by Thunderbolt_Br

Hi all,

I saw in HardBall table that Mossie (in Il2) was only 3 Kph more fast than a FW-A4... tahts is correct? I ever read that Mk VI was superior in velocity over any axis plane at yout time...

In fact, in game I dont can run away from enemy fighters, unless emils or more olders one...

There is something that I can do to improve my speed flying mossies?


Thanks,

and forgivme for my English

Purely in IL21946 you have to pick your attack & escape route well with the Mossie, team work is important as with all ground attack aircraft.
An IL2 pilot will hunt you down beyond all reasonable means just to get a kill.

It been said many times before that most engagements were fast, one second the enemy were there the next they were gone.
This is difficult to emulate in IL2 due to the viewing capability of the sim.

The aircraft in WW2 saw many roles and was adapted accordingly.
This clip shows the armament and numbers flown on raids,
in the early days it wasn't just a couple of mossies plopping a few bombs on a nazi HQ in France,
they were quite a work horse, this clip shows to the end some shipping attacks in what looks like Norway.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=IZ-a8U1QWUw

[Al Schlageter]

Originally Posted by *Buzzsaw*

I see, you want to exclude all rare versions of British aircraft, but its ok to have 109K4 -C3 which only saw service in single Staffel, (approx. 9 aircraft) as experimental aircraft. Or TA-152H, or any number of other German aircraft which are in the game which are very rare or total fantasies. Double standards anyone?

By the way, all these charts ARE from Mike William's WWII Performance. I would suggest anyone who is interested go there:

http://www.wwiiaircraftperformance.o.../mosquito.html

I already posted that link.

Be sure 5 non operational prototypes are rare.

There was 4 Gruppen with around 167 (iirc) K-4s. The number that had been converted to C3 is questionable but you can be sure a good number had been. At least the Ta152H saw combat which is more than can be said for your selective NF XV.

Stick to data on the Mossie we have in the game. And, before you get your silk knickers into to much of a knot, yes we need a late war Mossie FB.

BRITISH MOSQUITO PRODUCTION:
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new_build conversions
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PR.I 10
PR.IV - 29 conversions from B.IV.
PR.VIII 5
PR.IX 90
PX.XVI 432
PR.32 5 1 prototype conversion from PR.XVI.
PR.34 181
PR.35 - 10 conversions from B.35s.

PR_SUM: 723
__________________________________________________ ______________________

B.IV (I) 10
B.IV (II) 263
B.V 1
B.IX 54
B.XVI 402
B.35 265

B_SUM: 995
__________________________________________________ ______________________

(N)F.II 494
NF.XII - 98 conversions from NF.II.
NF.XIII 260
NF.XV 1 4 conversions of NF.IIs.
NF.XVII - 99 conversions of NF.IIs.
NF.XIX 280
NF.30 526
NF.36 163
NF.38 101 1 prototype conversion from NF.36.

NF_SUM: 1,825
__________________________________________________ ______________________

FB.VI 2,584
FB.VIII - 19 conversions from FB.VIs.
TF/TR.33 50 2 conversions from FB.VIs.
TF.37 14
T.III 352 6 conversions from F.IIs.
TT.35 - 26 conversions from B.35s.
TT/39 - 106 conversions from B.XVIs.

ETC_SUM: 3,000
__________________________________________________ ______________________

subtotal: 6,543
__________________________________________________ ______________________

CANADIAN MOSQUITO PRODUCTION:
__________________________________________________ ______________________

B.VII 25
B.XX 245
B.25 343
FB.21 6
FB.26 337
T.22 6
T.27 43
T.29 37 conversions from FB.26.
__________________________________________________ ______________________

subtotal: 1,005
__________________________________________________ ______________________

AUSTRALIAN MOSQUITO PRODUCTION:
__________________________________________________ ______________________

PR.40: 6
PR.41 - 28 conversions from FB.40s.
FB.40 203
FB.42 - 1 conversions from FB.40.
T.43 - 22 conversions from FB.40s.
__________________________________________________ ______________________

subtotal: 209
__________________________________________________ ______________________

TOTAL: 7,757

http://www.faqs.org/docs/air/avmoss3.html

[41Sqn_Banks]

Originally Posted by mondo

Night ground attack is only limited to mission designers imaginations. There have been several good night fighter third party campaigns, one that sticks out is for the Beaufighter. People also forget that Mosquito's were used successfully as ground attack aircraft at night by the 2nd TAF in 44/45.

Yes sure, and you can perfectly simulate this with the FB VI as they operated this mark in the night ranger/intruder role. This even supports the point that there is (was) no need for a pure NF mark (with radar equipement) of the mosquito.

Don't get me wrong I'd like to have every mark of the Mosquito, but resources are limited. Taking the FB VI was propably the best choice.

[Thunderbolt_Br]

Thanks for the video, Alpha

It been said many times before that most engagements were fast, one second the enemy were there the next they were gone.
This is difficult to emulate in IL2 due to the viewing capability of the sim.

Its true!

But I think that a FB.VI Serie II would be the best choice

[WTE_Galway]

Originally Posted by Bobb4

My guess why we do not have a decent Mossie is simple, lack of community interest, pure and simple.

Remember its pretty difficult to judge what is of genuine interest.

In particular the forums attract a lot of new players who are excited about online play and have just discovered the game lacks a late war prototype spit/P51/Dora with 50 lbs extra boost and nitro-etho-benzo-uber injection that they are convinced will make them invincible on hyperlobby.

3 years later what the same guy really wants is a swordfish for torpedo bombing in the Mediterranean and a flyable Wellington but he is not spamming the forums with plane requests by that stage.

[*Buzzsaw*]

Originally Posted by WTE_Galway

the forums attract a lot of new players who are excited about online play and have just discovered the game lacks a late war prototype spit/P51/Dora with 50 lbs extra boost and nitro-etho-benzo-uber injection that they are convinced will make them invincible on hyperlobby.

The Mosquito is hardly a plane which a noob will select on Hyperlobby if he wants to become 'invincible'.

It is a specialists plane, focused on the ground attack role, something which a person obsessed with their kill/ratio is never going to fly.

It was never designed to mix it up with single engined fighters.

What it was designed to do was to get in to the target so quickly and with such speed, that interceptors are unable to react.

And that speed issue is exactly the point the original poster raised, ie. why is it comparatively slow?

The answer of course, is that the version we have in the game does not represent the later '44 and '45 models, where performance was upgraded so that it remained competitive.

[*Buzzsaw*]

Originally Posted by Al Schlageter

yes we need a late war Mossie FB.

Ahh... Finally he admits there is a lack in the game. Enough said.

[WTE_Galway]

Originally Posted by *Buzzsaw*

The Mosquito is hardly a plane which a noob will select on Hyperlobby if he wants to become 'invincible'.

It is a specialists plane, focused on the ground attack role, something which a person obsessed with their kill/ratio is never going to fly.

It was never designed to mix it up with single engined fighters.

What it was designed to do was to get in to the target so quickly and with such speed, that interceptors are unable to react.

And that speed issue is exactly the point the original poster raised, ie. why is it comparatively slow?

The answer of course, is that the version we have in the game does not represent the later '44 and '45 models, where performance was upgraded so that it remained competitive.

Indeed which is why you rarely see requests for Mosquitos in the various forums. I was merely pointing out that "plane requests" tend to be biased towards late war single seat fighters and jets which can give a false impression of what the actual demand is for.

The late war mossies were faster but still relied a lot on surprise and/or altitude advantage to get in and out safely.