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Old 05-12-2013, 01:28 PM
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Gents, please don't paint all of my countrymen with the same broad brush.

We are not all racists.

The Japanese defeat in WW2 had nothing to do with their size, or their race. It had everything to do with their mindset, their poor understanding of how the US, The British Empire, China, and the Netherlands East Indies, would react, and their inability to consolodate their newly gained holdings after the first six months of the war. ( "Victory Disease" as it was called later by the Japanese). And most significantly the inability of Japanese industry to produce the engines of war in the numbers and quality necessary.

The Japanese bet everything on a lightening campaign that would shock the Allies to the bargaining table. They commited all their reserves out of the gate. To be sure at the time their and our perceptions of each other were very racist, and all mostly wrong.

They saw the west as a bunch of fat, lazy shopkeepers who could never be warriors, and we saw the Japanese as short, near sighted, dull witted people that were no threat.

Obviously neither assesment was correct.
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Old 05-12-2013, 04:40 PM
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Gents, please don't paint all of my countrymen with the same broad brush.

We are not all racists.

The Japanese defeat in WW2 had nothing to do with their size, or their race. It had everything to do with their mindset, their poor understanding of how the US, The British Empire, China, and the Netherlands East Indies, would react, and their inability to consolodate their newly gained holdings after the first six months of the war. ( "Victory Disease" as it was called later by the Japanese). And most significantly the inability of Japanese industry to produce the engines of war in the numbers and quality necessary.

The Japanese bet everything on a lightening campaign that would shock the Allies to the bargaining table. They commited all their reserves out of the gate. To be sure at the time their and our perceptions of each other were very racist, and all mostly wrong.

They saw the west as a bunch of fat, lazy shopkeepers who could never be warriors, and we saw the Japanese as short, near sighted, dull witted people that were no threat.

Obviously neither assesment was correct.
I fully agree with you, but I can't agree with anyone that tries to use prejudice to sustain its claims. I won't fall into the trap of putting all USA citizens on the same bag.
And in this case, this conclussions are trying to justify in game planes performance for the n'th time in this forums, based on the same allready put down argument, of physical prowess. I suppose that for some people Captain America was a reality hidden by the FBI and the CIA as a comic...
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Old 05-12-2013, 05:35 PM
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Modern day statistical evaluation, average body height, males, taken from some internet site:

Belgium - 180,4 cm
Canada - 180,1 cm
Finland - 176,6 cm
France - 173,1 cm
Germany - 180,2 cm
Italy - 172,2 cm
Japan - 165,6 cm
Netherlands - 180,8 cm
Norway - 179,7 cm
Spain - 170,0 cm
Taiwan - 172,7 cm
USA - 175,5 cm

It's a fact that not all humans are physically the same, and it's a fact that different bodies have different abilities. And it is also possible to quantify the differences statistically, broken down to all sorts of things - to time period, economical conditions, region or even nationality. I don't see anything racist in the statement of fact that on average in the WW2 period the Japanese pilot was smaller and more lightweight than the average US pilot.
And personally I don't see how on average the smaller guy has the strength of the taller guy. Same way I don't see how on average the tall guy has the same resistance to g loads. Unless of course one of the guys is genetically superior but that would be racism.

Neither racism nor political correctness change medicine, physics or facts.

And finally, nothing like that is modelled in game. So I don't really know why you guys are discussing this in the first place.
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