Torpedoing moving ships

[RPS69]

but after all, this is an aircraft sim.

I can't disagree more with this comment. This is not a flight sim. This is a ground attack flight sim. Hence it's name... Il2 Sturmovick.
It is aboslutely reasonable to ask for better behaviour from your main targets. Dogfighting is just a by product. And the fly simulator term is absolutely diminishing.
And I may also say thanks for your work on several ships, but the implemebtation made in the original code, implied that destructing a turret was much more difficult than sinking the ship itself. After mods, the punishment needed to see this happen was made somewhat more proportional. In the original game that was out of the question. Good that they asked you to make them anyway. Don't know how it is working now with TD job. I will give it a look later.

[Plane-Eater]

Originally Posted by RPS69

I can't disagree more with this comment. This is not a flight sim. This is a ground attack flight sim. Hence it's name... Il2 Sturmovick.
It is aboslutely reasonable to ask for better behaviour from your main targets. Dogfighting is just a by product. And the fly simulator term is absolutely diminishing.
And I may also say thanks for your work on several ships, but the implemebtation made in the original code, implied that destructing a turret was much more difficult than sinking the ship itself. After mods, the punishment needed to see this happen was made somewhat more proportional. In the original game that was out of the question. Good that they asked you to make them anyway. Don't know how it is working now with TD job. I will give it a look later.

Well, in fairness, there are 200+ aircraft in this IL-2 Sturmovik sim, and they're not all Sturmoviks.

On the flip side, though, a huge chunk of this sim was focused on the Pacific Theater, and that part of the war made air warfare and ship warfare inseparable from each other. I've wanted more detailed ships, ship damage and AI for a long time so we could properly do PTO campaigns with battle groups that show battle damage during missions and throughout campaigns and react like real surface combatants.

[EJGr.Ost_Caspar]

We would like to see more complex ship AI and make anti shipping missions a better experience. How far this can go and if there are technical limitations, I don't know. Let see...

[Plane-Eater]

Originally Posted by EJGr.Ost_Caspar

We would like to see more complex ship AI and make anti shipping missions a better experience. How far this can go and if there are technical limitations, I don't know. Let see...

If there are ANY issues with art content creation to make new naval ops features happen - you guys need new models, need old models changed, or whatever - please feel free to contact me, and I will make it happen.

I'm busy building art for something super-secret at Microsoft right now but I'll have lots of time on my hands here in the next couple months, and I would give one or more extra internal organs to make the Pacific Theater naval combat part of the game what I always hoped it would be when we originally built it 9 years ago.

[KG26_Alpha]

Originally Posted by Plane-Eater

If there are ANY issues with art content creation to make new naval ops features happen - you guys need new models, need old models changed, or whatever - please feel free to contact me, and I will make it happen.

I'm busy building art for something super-secret at Microsoft right now but I'll have lots of time on my hands here in the next couple months, and I would give one or more extra internal organs to make the Pacific Theater naval combat part of the game what I always hoped it would be when we originally built it 9 years ago.

Nice offer

[Plane-Eater]

Originally Posted by KG26_Alpha

Nice offer

It's sincere. I don't have quite as much time as I did years back when I was barely 20 and not married, but fortunately 3D tools have advanced so much since then that it's MUCH faster to work on IL2 models (at least for me).

I would give a great, great many things to finally see the features we wanted for Pacific Fighters included in IL-2 - deck crews, landing signal officers, more capital surface combatants, ship AI and detailed damage, all kinds of stuff that we just couldn't make happen in 2004.

[IceFire]

Originally Posted by Plane-Eater

If there are ANY issues with art content creation to make new naval ops features happen - you guys need new models, need old models changed, or whatever - please feel free to contact me, and I will make it happen.

I'm busy building art for something super-secret at Microsoft right now but I'll have lots of time on my hands here in the next couple months, and I would give one or more extra internal organs to make the Pacific Theater naval combat part of the game what I always hoped it would be when we originally built it 9 years ago.

Are you offering to build new ships?

Because I really think that we're in some desperate need of some new targets. I've been using the same two transport vessels as targets for years!

I know the N-G licensing issues affects a number of ships but I'm sure there are other options out there.

[Plane-Eater]

Originally Posted by IceFire

Are you offering to build new ships?

Because I really think that we're in some desperate need of some new targets. I've been using the same two transport vessels as targets for years!

I know the N-G licensing issues affects a number of ships but I'm sure there are other options out there.

N-G may have an arguably valid claim to aircraft, but the US naval vessels of WWII were designed by the US Bureau of Ships - a government department. Their design and construction was conducted by federal employees using taxpayer funding and conducted at federal facilities. N-G believes they have ownership of those things because they purchased Newport News in the last few years... that couldn't be further from the truth.

I was mainly thinking of deck crew / Landing Signal Officer models and animations, but ships aren't completely out of the question. There's a horrible shortage of capital surface combatants on all sides for the Pacific theater, but just as much missing gameplay of their interaction with the air war. Air Boss direction and contact with planes over the radio, good dynamic Ship AI, lots of small things that would add immensely.

[IceFire]

Originally Posted by Plane-Eater

N-G may have an arguably valid claim to aircraft, but the US naval vessels of WWII were designed by the US Bureau of Ships - a government department. Their design and construction was conducted by federal employees using taxpayer funding and conducted at federal facilities. N-G believes they have ownership of those things because they purchased Newport News in the last few years... that couldn't be further from the truth.

I was mainly thinking of deck crew / Landing Signal Officer models and animations, but ships aren't completely out of the question. There's a horrible shortage of capital surface combatants on all sides for the Pacific theater, but just as much missing gameplay of their interaction with the air war. Air Boss direction and contact with planes over the radio, good dynamic Ship AI, lots of small things that would add immensely.

The whole thing with N-G is laughable if it wasn't so incredibly insane.

LSO interaction would be great for sure. I remember Aces of the Pacific had the little animated guy in the corner of the screen giving you the information on how well you were landing it.

[KG26_Alpha]

Originally Posted by RPS69

I can't disagree more with this comment. This is not a flight sim. This is a ground attack flight sim. Hence it's name... Il2 Sturmovick.
It is absolutely reasonable to ask for better behavior from your main targets. Dogfighting is just a by product. And the fly simulator term is absolutely diminishing.
And I may also say thanks for your work on several ships, but the implementation made in the original code, implied that destructing a turret was much more difficult than sinking the ship itself. After mods, the punishment needed to see this happen was made somewhat more proportional. In the original game that was out of the question. Good that they asked you to make them anyway. Don't know how it is working now with TD job. I will give it a look later.

Also the problem is, from the first time they introduced the bomb arming delay to stop dog fight server pilots dropping their bombs at spawn points, this one change made the whole ground attack experience different from what it was for years, then progressed a much more refined arming system that had been missing from the game, it was very strange to many of us that this was done as it was fixing a small problem in some DF servers but affecting the whole game in all areas for those that never fly in DF servers
So
Making the targets more difficult to kill has been a progressive introduction, especially in HSFX expert mode, that leaves the ground pounders/mud movers/bomber jocks/, whatever you want to call us, perplexed at how to kill stuff that used to be "killable" but now requires more bombs or different attack policy.
Bridges (white supports) seem to be impossible/improbable to destroy with anything less than a 500kg bomb, rail bridges the same, used to drop with a cluster of 50kg bombs, vehicles tanks and AAA all becoming tougher to kill. Some of this approach has been introduced in other parts of the game.
Now
I really don't mind this approach to the bombers equipment and the way we do our business but I don't see the point of making everything so difficult for us when the fighters suffer no realism in their armament.
You have
no overheat
no freezing
no G lock of ammo
and other anomalies......
Again
Making one area of the game interesting for killing targets, there is still a huge part that's simply unrealistic
to the point of funny when so much works been done to make bomber pilots job an inconsistent mess,
not all TD's fault as HSFX also messes with new destruction parameters.

Lets make the playing field fair and sort the fighters ammo out please,
especially when you have flown 50 mins to a shipping torpedo target to have the Torp fail for no reason then fly 50 mins back to base

Small moan over