can we raise the $$$ to get 1c to release a CoD SDK or other tools ?

[Jaws2002]

I'm not surprised they don't want CLOD engine out. If somebody bought the rights for this game and fixed it, it would be the end of the 1C/777 new project.

They don't want that. I also understand why Jasson and Loft didn't want to do the next project on the CLOD engine. It would mean abandoning the ROF community and frankly, why would they do that?

They may go back to something evolved out of CLOD engine at some point, when people don't want to pay for the old ROF engine. We'll see.

This are just games anyway. I won't loose any sleep over this. Based on how world's economies are going, if two three years from now I can still afford a computer and internet connection, I'll be happy.

[Jaws2002]

Originally Posted by zapatista

i think it is worth seeing what we could hypothetically raise to try and have CoD in a more near-completed state.

the recent official patch was a massive leap forward, but there are some issues regarding the incomplete state CoD was released in, and the obligation 1C has to only cease work on it when it is provided to its customers in a reasonably finished state. right now they sold one thing unfinished, fixed 1/2 of it, and then for commercial reasons only chose to proceed to the next project to try and resell us again the same product with different makeup (eg a ww2 aircraft sim under the name sturmovik). and abandoning the old CoD project is done under the excuse of "financial reasons".

if we can provide 1C with something like 50.000$ to pay a couple of programers 20.000$ each and luthier 10.000$ to coordinate it, this could be done to "cease development of the CoD product when all reasonable efforts were made to complete it". one could argue they have an obligation to us the old customers that is greater then their new recent agreement with the teflon dressed RoF crowd

but my post was not intended to go in that direction, it was more to raise the issue that with 100 people willing to put 500$ into this each, we could raise 50.000$ pretty quickly to try and get a few crucial elements of CoD finished

You are pretty desperate for a silly game. Go buy some emergency supplies for that money. It could save your life down the road.

[swiss]

Why do you try to raise money to buy something of which you don't even know if this good is available at all?

[zapatista]

Originally Posted by swiss

Why do you try to raise money to buy something of which you don't even know if this good is available at all?

thats the old chicken and the egg scenario

we need both at least 50.000 to pay a few programers for 6 monts, AND have 1C willing to allow a few more months work on it to try and shut the project down in an orderly fashion, instead of the dumping the whole crap overboard they are doing now

gotta start somewhere

showing them they dont need to spend the money for that last few months work on the orderly shutdown would be a good first step imho

[SlipBall]

Originally Posted by zapatista

thats the old chicken and the egg scenario

we need both at least 50.000 to pay a few programers for 6 monts, AND have 1C willing to allow a few more months work on it to try and shut the project down in an orderly fashion, instead of the dumping the whole crap overboard they are doing now

gotta start somewhere

showing them they dont need to spend the money for that last few months work on the orderly shutdown would be a good first step imho

But I read recently they are now charging by per key stroke entry...not sure were they learned that

[Fjordmonkey]

Originally Posted by zapatista

it has been done for other projects, and might work here to get some further tools released by 1C so we as a community can keep expanding and improving CoD

as a ballpark, if 100 people would contribute 500$ each (50.000 $ total), thats a decent chunk of money that might fund 2 programmers for a year or so (em based on russian salaries being much lower then in the west). or it could fund 4 programers for 6 months

if 1C provides them with the office area to work in, and the basic pc's they were using before, we might be able to raise enough money for their salaries for 6 months and get a couple of near finished elements to be completed (SDK, maybe control of vehicles, improved "visibility bubble" to reduce popup, etc)

it wouldnt be focused on "finishing the sim" (unless one of us wins the lotto ), but we might get a couple of elements finished that luthiers team already were very close to completing.

just a thought

If that's your thought, you should stop thinking, I'd say.

I severely doubt you'd be able to find more than a small handful of people from this community willing to put $500 into a hare-brained scheme that is pretty much doomed straight from the get-go.

Why should 1C sell the code for 50 000 when they stand to make far more than that co-devving/releasing BoS with 777?

[zapatista]

Originally Posted by Fjordmonkey

If that's your thought, you should stop thinking, I'd say.

I severely doubt you'd be able to find more than a small handful of people from this community willing to put $500 into a hare-brained scheme that is pretty much doomed straight from the get-go.

Why should 1C sell the code for 50 000 when they stand to make far more than that co-devving/releasing BoS with 777?

and you should try and read and then understand what other people have posted before you "contribute"

this thread isnt about "selling code"

read it again, take 2

[Fjordmonkey]

Originally Posted by zapatista

and you should try and read and then understand what other people have posted before you "contribute"

this thread isnt about "selling code"

read it again, take 2

Buying the code or hiring 2 devs for 6 months to work on code that you don't own the rights to is on the same level of stupidity.

And even IF you found two devs willing to do contract-work on code you don't own the rights to, putting the new code into distribution would be akin to presenting yourself and anyone involved with the project for a nice, fat lawsuit for copyright-infringement. I severely doubt that the EULA that you accepted when you bought the game gives you access to that, but hey, please go ahead and prove me wrong with your community-made miracle-patch for CLoD.

The title of the post is [/b]can we raise the $$$ to get 1c to release a CoD SDK or other tools ?[/b] Why should 1C even bother to take the money, especially in light of BlackSix' post about how there ISN'T any SDK or tools for the game?

[zapatista]

Originally Posted by Fjordmonkey

Buying the code or hiring 2 devs for 6 months to work on code that you don't own the rights to is on the same level of stupidity

And even IF you found two devs willing to do contract-work on code you don't own the rights to, putting the new code into distribution would be akin to presenting yourself and anyone involved with the project for a nice, fat lawsuit for copyright-infringement. I severely doubt that the EULA that you accepted when you bought the game gives you access to that, but hey, please go ahead and prove me wrong with your community-made miracle-patch for CLoD.

The title of the post is [/b]can we raise the $$$ to get 1c to release a CoD SDK or other tools ?[/b] Why should 1C even bother to take the money, especially in light of BlackSix' post about how there ISN'T any SDK or tools for the game?

i keep forgetting that all it takes for people to post here is a keyboard and a net connection, somehow i keep expecting to have a civilized discussion with informed individuals who also have an interest in creating the best possible ww2 aviation sim. and each time i am surprised you either have a major language problem or a total failure to understand what this thread is aiming to discuss

there is no "new dev's" involved, and no "community-made miracle-patch" , neither do you seem to know the degree to which the sdk was already completed before they stopped work on it some months ago, and you are completely misquoting B6's comment on the SDK

no prize for you today !

i'll give you a hint and some key words, see if you can work it out: "CoD SDK and other tools", "community raising money for short term funding of 2 programmers", "1c only providing small office space and pc's (eg code is still secure with them)", "1c making an effort to discontinue the sim in reasonable working order before abandoning it (ex read goods advertised versus goods received by customers)", you know, that kinda thing

now before you start typing next, try and actually understand what is being discussed

btw, what have YOU recently done to try and reduce the disastrous outcome of 1C closing down CoD, thought of anything ? do share your deep and profound thoughts with us on how we can improve the situation, and if you havnt, just say thank you to those that do, and quietly be on your way....

[Fjordmonkey]

From your original post, Zappydearest:

as a ballpark, if 100 people would contribute 500$ each (50.000 $ total), thats a decent chunk of money that might fund 2 programmers for a year or so (em based on russian salaries being much lower then in the west). or it could fund 4 programers for 6 months

Please tell me where this doesn't mention hiring programmers, also known as devs (short for developers).

What have I done to try to reduce a disastrous outcome? Nothing. It's not up to me what 1C does with a product they have developed and put on the market. I have accepted the EULA that the product was sold with, and I accepted the conditions and terms of the purchase when I hit the buy-button in Steam. I accepted that the product was sold as-is, that 1C could do whatever they wanted with it whenever they wanted to without telling/asking me about it. Which, incidentally is the EXACT same thing that all of those who bought it did.

My deep and profound thoughts on how to improve the situation is to quit expecting 1C to giving out the sourcecode, and quit thinking that the community can fix it without unrestricted access to the sourcecode.

And again, why in heavens name should 1C provide a small office and computers plus access to any tools and/or SDK's that might or might not exist, especially now that they're in partnership with 777 to create BoS? Without being privy to the contract between the two companies, I'm fairly sure that 1C isn't really interested in releasing a competing product, or helping what would be a competing product undercut profits. Just in case you've missed the point, 1C is a business-company first and foremost, and in such things there's one golden rule: Money talks, bullshit walks. You, my friend, are out walking.

So no, I will not say thanks and leave. But please continue to try to make me.