HEMP for VICTORY!

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Colorado rocks.

[TheEditor]

Washington rocks too! For people who don't know, Colorado and Washington voted on Nov 6 to legalize small amounts of marijuana and to regulate it like alcohol. If the USA Feds don't step in, that means Amsterdam now has competition.

But the petition above is not for weed but for hemp and yes there is a difference.

[ACE-OF-ACES]

Originally Posted by TheEditor

If the USA Feds don't step in, that means Amsterdam now has competition.

Amsterdam is not a selling point IMHO!

I have a very libertarian view on drugs..

I think all forms of drugs that can be tested for should be legal!

Than just legislate it like we do alcohol!

But for it to work you will also have to remove any and all goverment support for those people who get hooked on drugs!

As in they F-up their brains to a point that they are not able to hold down a job and 'now' require government assistance to survive..

For legislative examples, with regards to alcohol..

If you are a pilot, you can not fly a plane if you have had a drink in the past 24 hours..

Do the same thing for other drugs, just adjust the time frame to account for the drug in question..

If you are a pilot, you can not fly a plane if you have smoked a joint in the past 40 hours..
If you are a pilot, you can not fly a plane if you have snorted coke in the past 80 hours..
If you are a pilot, you can not fly a plane if you have dropped acid in the past month..

Granted some jobs will not require such strict rules..

I am sure the starbucks barista with a ring in his nose and tats up one arm and down the other will still be able to perform his/her job under the influance

But most jobs will require such strict rules!

The up side to legal drugs is it would remove most if not all the criminal activity associated with illegal drugs

And what makes it a win win is the following..

In that no typical working man will be able to do drugs.. Except maybe when he is on vacation.. In that there are just not enough hours to recover before you have to go back to work..

Thus the only people who can afford to do drugs will be the rich kid types who inherited their wealth.. And I could care less about what they do to screw up their heads! In that they can afford to be brain dead.

Granted some people may point out that there are some drugs that you only have to do once and your hooked!

Oh well! Sorry about your bad luck!

That is to say if your dumb enough to take such a drug, than don't come crying to me or society as a whole to pay for your sorry existence for the rest of your brain dead life!

You are on your own, and, hopefully not long!

The down side is initially drug use would increase exponentially

But within a few years you would see it drop way down

Why?

Well if what they say about pot and other drugs is true, that being they are all gateway drugs to stronger drugs, than eventually every pot head will take the drug that takes them out! Which means within a few years, all those in society that feel the need to do drugs would be out of the gene pool leaving behind those who didn't feel the need to do drugs...

In essence drug use would become self correcting

But it only works if we remove all support for those who choose to do drugs. Amsterdam is proof of that!

So the only way I sign such a petition is if all government support is removed for those who choose to do drugs. Or at least go as far as to have a one time prescription filled out, where you have to sign a wavier stating you agree to not be eligible for government assistance of any kind.

[TheEditor]

Originally Posted by ACE-OF-ACES

Amsterdam is not a selling point IMHO!

I have a very libertarian view on drugs..

I think all forms of drugs that can be tested for should be legal!

Than just legislate it like we do alcohol!

But for it to work you will also have to remove any and all goverment support for those people who get hooked on drugs!

As in they F-up their brains to a point that they are not able to hold down a job and 'now' require government assistance to survive..

For legislative examples, with regards to alcohol..

If you are a pilot, you can not fly a plane if you have had a drink in the past 24 hours..

Do the same thing for other drugs, just adjust the time frame to account for the drug in question..

If you are a pilot, you can not fly a plane if you have smoked a joint in the past 40 hours..
If you are a pilot, you can not fly a plane if you have snorted coke in the past 80 hours..
If you are a pilot, you can not fly a plane if you have dropped acid in the past month..

Granted some jobs will not require such strict rules..

I am sure the starbucks barista with a ring in his nose and tats up one arm and down the other will still be able to perform his/her job under the influance

But most jobs will require such strict rules!

The up side to legal drugs is it would remove most if not all the criminal activity associated with illegal drugs

And what makes it a win win is the following..

In that no typical working man will be able to do drugs.. Except maybe when he is on vacation.. In that there are just not enough hours to recover before you have to go back to work..

Thus the only people who can afford to do drugs will be the rich kid types who inherited their wealth.. And I could care less about what they do to screw up their heads! In that they can afford to be brain dead.

Granted some people may point out that there are some drugs that you only have to do once and your hooked!

Oh well! Sorry about your bad luck!

That is to say if your dumb enough to take such a drug, than don't come crying to me or society as a whole to pay for your sorry existence for the rest of your brain dead life!

You are on your own, and, hopefully not long!

The down side is initially drug use would increase exponentially

But within a few years you would see it drop way down

Why?

Well if what they say about pot and other drugs is true, that being they are all gateway drugs to stronger drugs, than eventually every pot head will take the drug that takes them out! Which means within a few years, all those in society that feel the need to do drugs would be out of the gene pool leaving behind those who didn't feel the need to do drugs...

In essence drug use would become self correcting

But it only works if we remove all support for those who choose to do drugs. Amsterdam is proof of that!

So the only way I sign such a petition is if all government support is removed for those who choose to do drugs. Or at least go as far as to have a one time prescription filled out, where you have to sign a wavier stating you agree to not be eligible for government assistance of any kind.

After reading your wall of text, I think you've went a little overboard. Look, the petition is for hemp which is NOT A DRUG! I'm also for legalizing marjuana like alcohol. Marjuana is less harmful to your body and mind. When the last time you have heard of someone smoking a joint and killing their wife? You can't even overdose with weed!


The other drugs don't need to be legalized imho. Maybe in the future governments can just decriminalize the other drugs. Portugal has been doing this for around 10 years.

[arthursmedley]

I guess no one else understands it's not about a drug either? You need how many signatories?

Total signatures on this petition

13

[CWMV]

Honestly I think its a great idea. No reason we should ham-string ourselves from using a legitimate working tool.

That said I will not sign anything going to the White House, until we have a real American sitting in office-not a man who hates his country.

[Wutz]

Yeah reinstall the 18th amendment!

[ACE-OF-ACES]

Originally Posted by TheEditor

After reading your wall of text, I think you've went a little overboard.

Sadly your in good company.. So many today feel that taking personal responsibly for their actions is too much to ask.

Originally Posted by TheEditor

Look, the petition is for hemp which is NOT A DRUG!

I never said it was a drug..

Which begs the question as to why you brought up Amsterdam, when in fact China is the world leader in hemp production.

Originally Posted by TheEditor

I'm also for legalizing marijuana like alcohol.

That is good to hear.. But why stop with mary jane? Why not make all drugs legal?

Originally Posted by TheEditor

Marijuana is less harmful to your body and mind.

Maybe less harmful

Hard to tell say with certainty due to the fact that it is illegal it is harder to collect data on peoples habits.

But we know marijuana is harmful, only questions left is how harmful. Common since should tell you to avoid inhaling smoke of any kind.. Hence the natural instinct to cough when there is smoke.. It is something you have to learn/train your bodies natural instinct to ignore.. Most marijuana smokers consume a lot less cannabis than cigarette smokers consume tobacco, however the harmful effects of smoking marijuana should not be ignored. Marijuana contains more carcinogenic hydrocarbons than tobacco smoke and because marijuana smokers typically inhale deeper and hold the smoke in their lungs longer than tobacco smokers, their lungs are exposed to those carcinogenic properties longer, when smoking... Scientists have found that regular marijuana smokers can experience the same respiratory problems as tobacco smokers do, like frequent acute chest illnesses, increased risk of lung infections, obstructed airways. Marijuana smoke contains three times the amount of tar found in tobacco smoke and 50 percent more carcinogens, it would seem logical to deduce that there is an increased risk of lung cancer for marijuana smokers. However, researchers have not been able to definitively prove such a link because their studies have not been able to adjust for tobacco smoking and other factors that might also increase the risk. Studies linking marijuana smoking to lung cancer have also been limited by selection bias and small sample size. For example, the participants in those studies may have been too young to have developed lung cancer yet. Even though researchers have yet to "prove" a link between smoking pot and lung cancer, regular smokers may want to consider the risk.

Originally Posted by TheEditor

When the last time you have heard of someone smoking a joint and killing their wife?

Well what with todays media it would not surprise me if they filter out such events.. For example, before the SUV, when there was a car wreck, the new would report there was a car wreck.. The news didn't specify if it was a two door, four door, a station wagon, or a pickup.. But now that the media is out to get SUVs and those who drive SUVs, the media always points out it was an SUV involved in such and such even though the ascendents had nothing to do with it being a SUV

Originally Posted by TheEditor

You can't even overdose with weed!

But you can die! Within a few minutes after smoking marijuana, the heart begins beating more rapidly and the blood pressure drops. Marijuana can cause the heart beat to increase by 20 to 50 beats per minute, and can increase even more if other drugs are used at the same time.
Because of the lower blood pressure and higher heart rate, researchers found that users' risk for a heart attack is four times higher within the first hour after smoking marijuana, compared to their general risk of heart attack when not smoking.

Originally Posted by TheEditor

The other drugs don't need to be legalized imho.

Why not? I mean the same arguments made for mary jane today apply to them

Originally Posted by TheEditor

Maybe in the future governments can just decriminalize the other drugs. Portugal has been doing this for around 10 years.

I am all for that too! But as noted, none of this will work unless the government also removes the support for those who 'choose' to F-up their brains!

[TheEditor]

Originally Posted by ACE-OF-ACES

That is good to hear.. But why stop with mary jane? Why not make all drugs legal?

There is a difference between "legal" and "Decriminalization." When people in the US see "legal" they think they can go to Walmart and buy it. I don't want that.

Heroin and Marijuana are both Schedule I drugs in the US but they shouldn't be treated the same. Hell Marijuana shouldn't be a Schedule I drug at all!

Originally Posted by ACE-OF-ACES

But we know marijuana is harmful, only questions left is how harmful. Common since should tell you to avoid inhaling smoke of any kind.. Hence the natural instinct to cough when there is smoke.. It is something you have to learn/train your bodies natural instinct to ignore.. Most marijuana smokers consume a lot less cannabis than cigarette smokers consume tobacco, however the harmful effects of smoking marijuana should not be ignored. Marijuana contains more carcinogenic hydrocarbons than tobacco smoke and because marijuana smokers typically inhale deeper and hold the smoke in their lungs longer than tobacco smokers, their lungs are exposed to those carcinogenic properties longer, when smoking... Scientists have found that regular marijuana smokers can experience the same respiratory problems as tobacco smokers do, like frequent acute chest illnesses, increased risk of lung infections, obstructed airways. Marijuana smoke contains three times the amount of tar found in tobacco smoke and 50 percent more carcinogens, it would seem logical to deduce that there is an increased risk of lung cancer for marijuana smokers. However, researchers have not been able to definitively prove such a link because their studies have not been able to adjust for tobacco smoking and other factors that might also increase the risk. Studies linking marijuana smoking to lung cancer have also been limited by selection bias and small sample size. For example, the participants in those studies may have been too young to have developed lung cancer yet. Even though researchers have yet to "prove" a link between smoking pot and lung cancer, regular smokers may want to consider the risk.

I'd love to see your sources on this info. There is more than one way to take Marijuana. You can use a vaporizer, there's drinks, and edibles. There's a comany in Colorado trying to make money off this idea. They're hoping to sell off to big pharma or big alcohol. www.dixieelixirs.com/

Originally Posted by ACE-OF-ACES

But you can die! Within a few minutes after smoking marijuana, the heart begins beating more rapidly and the blood pressure drops. Marijuana can cause the heart beat to increase by 20 to 50 beats per minute, and can increase even more if other drugs are used at the same time.
Because of the lower blood pressure and higher heart rate, researchers found that users' risk for a heart attack is four times higher within the first hour after smoking marijuana, compared to their general risk of heart attack when not smoking.

Again show a news story or something that shows someone having a heart attack from smoking weed...BS

http://www.drugpolicy.org/drug-facts...bout-marijuana