The so called "no-loss" concept (whole game) is wrong and stupid.

[sethmage]

@ Fatt_Shade – cue words here are: no reloads of any kind.

How about new challenge: turn off monitor!

[oas]

Some achievements are only available if you lose units (at least one).

[Razorflame]

Originally Posted by hrafn

Do a no-loss game with no reloads. Then I'll be impressed.

ok easy with droid (with the mod with all units at start)

split repaird droids into 2 stacks and use a guard droid

and gg no re
easy victory you don't ever have to worry about losses

esp vs undead lmao

they suck so badly vs droid
slow speed/low damage/no poison effects

[tiberiu]

Originally Posted by Razorflame

ok easy with droid (with the mod with all units at start)

You mean... easy, with cheats. Right. Even easier with a mod to make all your units invulnerable I think, and for battles to automatically win themselves in round 1.

[tiberiu]

Originally Posted by sethmage

From the moment I saw the topic I knew this will drag along quite nicely, but overall you guys have to admit the moderators are pretty laid back here: people justifying pirating the game on the official forum, luck of respect for fellow player/poster, … yeah the more things change the more stay the same.
So let me put 2 cents here: I chose to buy the game and after hard day at work I will chose to go no-loss on impossible (well I will try it) and I don’t give a damn what everybody else is thinking. Everybody is entitled to their opinions; there is a matter how you come across with it.

Yea, I get you. But what's wrong with justifying piracy anyway? You have to test your car before you buy it, right? Just to make sure it works, that it... it doesn't have, you know.. bugs.

As for the lack of respect. Everybody gets as much respect as they deserve.

I tried to do no-loss too, but the Necromancer nearly killed all my units, which was a happy encounter for me.

What I argued here was something different then what most understood - and I am responsible for what I write, not for what the less intelectually inclined understand. For the 1000th time, it is perfectly OK for the player of the game to TRY to not lose any units. The fact that the Game lets him be successful in this is the problem. A problem of difficulty. What is the point of calling a difficulty "Impossible", if it can be done without ever losing even a single unit the whole game? The problem is that this is hugely boring for anybody who wants a true, real, hard challange. Being able to do no-loss whole game just proves the game is extremely easy. Absurdly easy - not to mention they give you infinite money, infinite xp, infinite crystals and runes.

[Razorflame]

Originally Posted by tiberiu

You mean... easy, with cheats. Right. Even easier with a mod to make all your units invulnerable I think, and for battles to automatically win themselves in round 1.

I already done a no loss on first island with all chars so what are you complaining when i restart and just have all units?

i'm not gonna try a 100 times again just for a good RNG and luck that the black knight and the necromancer don't cast any damaging spells on my real units

and when u pass that you have hundres of battles left killing undead with a 80% consistent viking army? i've done that so many times u will use something to change the game (and the all units mod isn't a real cheat anyway

you still need the money/leadership in the beginning (which isn't infite by then)

it becomes infinite when u have a strong stack already in your army


and why in fucks name would you call a no loss stupid if it's possible? There are alot of ways to win a war and some don't have casualties you just have to be smart and outhink your opponent

Why else would there be ambushes in real combat
mines which are hidden they only cause casualties on the other side
airstrikes etc etc

if you have the better tech and skills you will win a war without a lot of casualties of even without casualties

[tiberiu]

Originally Posted by Razorflame

I already done a no loss on first island with all chars so what are you complaining when i restart and just have all units?

No need to get angry and use bad language son. I am not complaining, but the discussion was about a challange. You came out and said "oh yes I can do that, using mods" and I just pointed out that cheating doesn't mean you complete the challange.

i'm not gonna try a 100 times again just for a good RNG and luck that the black knight and the necromancer don't cast any damaging spells on my real units

Nobody is forcing you do do anything. I find it weird how can you enjoy bad AI. When the knight and the necromancer cast damaging spells on your units, they are playing well. I guess some enjoy weaker challanges. Like playing chess with an opponent that has no queen. Good for you, but don't force your opinions on others.

and when u pass that you have hundres of battles left killing undead with a 80% consistent viking army? i've done that so many times u will use something to change the game (and the all units mod isn't a real cheat anyway)

Of course it's a cheat Because you give yourself advantages in unfair ways. Having access to all units in the game right from the start is something that qualifies as unfair advantage, regardless of any other BS about how you "still need money" - which is in more then enough quantity anyway, and about how you "still need leadership" - because you just don't compare the same amount of leadership worth of paladins with the same amount of leadership worth of peasants. Unleass you enjoy cheating, which is obvious that you do.

and why in fucks name would you call a no loss stupid if it's possible? There are alot of ways to win a war and some don't have casualties you just have to be smart and outhink your opponent

So why do I call stupid the fact that It is possible to do something that is described as Impossible/Invincible? um,. because.. it is? Beating 1000 bears with 1 royal snake is stupid in my opinion and it is my birthright to express my opinion, even if you or anybody else dislikes that.

[Razorflame]

well if u completed first island with all chars what is next to do?

killing the spider boss? ez too if u get trolls


then what?

then i use mods wotn is the most boring part of KB countless of undead fights -.-

and to be honest i find it so amusing you saying oh something is impossible to it should be impossible lmao


if all people would think like that we would still live in the stone age rofl

[Nevar]

I would just like to chime in on cheating.

I don't believe there is anything incredibly wrong with cheating in single player. I play with mods on other games like Skyrim and Fallout all the time, some of which arguably make the game easier. However, when I do that, it's because of quality-of-life reasons. e.g. I am scared to death of rats, so I installed a mod for making rats run away instead of fighting me. In a similar vein, I modded New Vegas so I had more inventory space, because walking back and forth to a safe storage or even just swapping equipment with npc companions is annoying and takes away from my satisfaction.

In a similar vein, having more units available at the start of WotN is because the first four islands are just REALLY ANNOYING to do with Vikings. I played through that once already. I'm not going to do it again on a new playthrough.

Cheating on competitive multiplayer games on the other hand, is just wrong, since you're taking away from the enjoyment of others by having an unfair advantage against them, which can ruin the experience for them.

[sethmage]

Originally Posted by tiberiu

What is the point of calling a difficulty "Impossible", if it can be done without ever losing even a single unit the whole game? The problem is that this is hugely boring for anybody who wants a true, real, hard challange. Being able to do no-loss whole game just proves the game is extremely easy. Absurdly easy - not to mention they give you infinite money, infinite xp, infinite crystals and runes.

I love that sentence, and the answer is simple, it’s all about proving how good you are and bragging rights, besides impossible sounds better than really hard

Originally Posted by tiberiu

Yea, I get you. But what's wrong with justifying piracy anyway? You have to test your car before you buy it, right? Just to make sure it works, that it... it doesn't have, you know.. bugs.

oh don’t get me wrong, I won’t confirm nor deny my piracy activities, I just find it amusing that somebody obtains game/movie/song by “illegal” means then will complain to developers/producers about quality of their products.