Early, Overall thoughts on WotN

[Fatt_Shade]

@Highborne

The biggest complaint I have is no Rage skills and no leveling until 2nd island, it is lame and boring. Also, as you pointed out the Viking class is screwed over pretty hard by this.

How about in the Legend where for first to get rage box you need to finish couple of main quests and even then you get spirits 1by1 not all of them together (like is in AP/CW where pet dragon is available from start).

[Highborne]

Originally Posted by Fatt_Shade

@Highborne How about in the Legend where for first to get rage box you need to finish couple of main quests and even then you get spirits 1by1 not all of them together (like is in AP/CW where pet dragon is available from start).

So? In this game you have the skill, and it sucks for the first island because it never levels.

If they wanted it to feel like TL then you should get it after a few quests and have it level as normal, which would be infinitely more useful than having it at level 1 and not being able to level it until level 6+ due to being on 2nd island.

This has been debated multiple times already, the Viking class feels weak starting because of crappy rage ability.
No leveling means it feels sloppy when playing and having rage that doesn't level.
First island probably needs a slight tweak for a no-loss doable without stupid RNG of rerolling the island to suit your needs for final 2 battles.

Making this level would be an elegant solution and one where the first island would be doable as a no-loss impossible difficulty with any class.

[Khornn]

Everything feels very copy & pasted from KB:TL, with only minor changes. On some areas it's really blatant that they just went through them in a hurry without much thought, there are flying buildings and mountains because they haven't been placed with enough care, empty spaces in walls where buildings used to be, undead armies everywhere instead of variety, etc...

I have played my first play through on Normal difficulty now for 64h according to Steam and I've maybe completed ~80% of the game, still encountering undead armies on a regular basis. They don't even vary in their composition, so it becomes monotonous labor where I'm just going through the motions instead of getting challenged by the game (move units in tactics mode, choose Edda, cast Phantom, use Rage skill, shoot with mages, hug the enemy archers with my phantom griffons = win, then repeat about a zillion times for every undead army on the map).

[Nevar]

Originally Posted by Khornn

They don't even vary in their composition, so it becomes monotonous labor where I'm just going through the motions instead of getting challenged by the game (move units in tactics mode, choose Edda, cast Phantom, use Rage skill, shoot with mages, hug the enemy archers with my phantom griffons = win, then repeat about a zillion times for every undead army on the map).

Considering how there are less than a dozen undead units, it's probably difficult to vary unit composition.

You know, if they'd introduced more undead units, the game would've been a little less tedious. I kept seeing mention of ghouls, which got me excited, only to find out there are no new undead units in the game at all.

I mean, I would've been happy with new units that were just retextures as long as they played differently.

[DGDobrev]

So would I As things stand, the game is a chore. It wouldn't have hurt if we were allowed to do some cool stuff at the beginning, rather than only in mid to late game. KBAP had it - the baby dragon's progression was kinda fast, and he was super cute.

Unfortunately, WotN forces the player into pointless repetition for a long time. Use Axe Throwers, Soothsayers (rest is whatever), advance a few paces, beat the undead army using the only damn rage skill you are given for last hits whenever possible until you get the XP medal. Advance a few more squares, beat the next one with the same composition. Rinse and repeat... Kinda takes the fun out of a no-loss game too, as for the first time I felt an inner urge to skip ahead and see new stuff regardless how the battles played and whether I lost units or not - and each and every single no-loss challenge (especially the player created ones) was a big part of this game.

That allowed everyone to forge a new story, to offer ideas for another play-through, to up the replayability of the game. I dont see how differently can this one play for the first 10 hours or so... The game is beating you on the head with the same types of units over and over.

[Colbert30]

I wonder what people are saying in the russian forums... I imagine devs go there more often, being their native language. Not that I think they don't speak English, but I suppose it's easier for them.

Anyway, given the nature of the story and its somewhat linearity, out of giving us random or more variety in units/spells for castles, etc. (which would go a looong way, btw), I don't know if they can do much.

But I suppose that right now their priority is the hunting and fixing of bugs and crashes. So mods will have to suffice for now.

[DGDobrev]

Originally Posted by Colbert30

I wonder what people are saying in the russian forums... I imagine devs go there more often, being their native language. Not that I think they don't speak English, but I suppose it's easier for them.

Anyway, given the nature of the story and its somewhat linearity, out of giving us random or more variety in units/spells for castles, etc. (which would go a looong way, btw), I don't know if they can do much.

But I suppose that right now their priority is the hunting and fixing of bugs and crashes. So mods will have to suffice for now.

I can assure you, it isn't much more different than it is here. I speak Russian too, so I go from time to time to the other forum to check if your russian brothers in arms (zini4_tha_grunt for example) created something new.

Most of the time they talk about the bugs - however, since many of the threads are current, I can't escape the conclusion that the game was launched in EN and RU together. We have more stuff listed here as bugs, than there. They also include various glitches (like shield bash stunning before the animation, and such).

They also have a first impressions topic, and I am sad to say, the opinion doesn't differ much than our own. Some are pleased to have a new KB with new units, others dislike the repetition (mainly the veterans) - and others say that if you don't like the game, you can always go back to the Red Sands KBAP mod.

They are also trying for a no-loss, but some hit a brick wall, others do the things we do here in a similar fashion. Oh well...

[Bhruic]

Originally Posted by DGDobrev

They also have a first impressions topic, and I am sad to say, the opinion doesn't differ much than our own. Some are pleased to have a new KB with new units, others dislike the repetition (mainly the veterans) - and others say that if you don't like the game, you can always go back to the Red Sands KBAP mod.

I have to agree with the general perception that the game doesn't live up to its predecessors. With that said, however, it's still a fun game, just not as fun as the previous iterations. I'm a bit disappointed with it, but I've still put in numerous hours playing it, and this with all the other games that came out recently vying for my attention.

[BB Shockwave]

Originally Posted by Nevar

Considering how there are less than a dozen undead units, it's probably difficult to vary unit composition.

You know, if they'd introduced more undead units, the game would've been a little less tedious. I kept seeing mention of ghouls, which got me excited, only to find out there are no new undead units in the game at all.

I mean, I would've been happy with new units that were just retextures as long as they played differently.

Oh yeah, when the blacksmith said ghouls, I too thought we would get them... a fast undead skirmisher, maybe with the ability to paralyze like Dragonflies.