P-51b-na & p-51c-nt

[-)-MAILMAN-]

In the game we have the following listed aircraft?

P-51B-NA

P-51C-NT

Which production block do these two aircraft represent?

In the paint schemes folder each is listed as follows:

P-51B-1-NA
P-51C-10-NT

[Bearcat]

The NTs were manufactured in Dallas Texas while the NAs were manufactured in Inglewood Ca. For the game's sake the P-51C has the Malcolm hood.. The B has the standard canopy.. In this sim in order to differentiate between modded and stock versions of the P-51D20 the modders designated the mod version as P-51D20NT while the stock version remains NA.


You can use any P-51 B skin in a C and vice versa, although there are different skins for both but there are subtle differences if you are a perfectionist and want accuracy. The P-51 Ds use a different skin because the shape of the planes is different.


Note the line at the base of the canopy on the skins for the P-51C. That is because the Malcolm hood slid back. The C skin is also what you would use on the MkIIIs as well.

Note the absence of the line onthe B skins.. that is because the B has a birdcage and opened.

[ElAurens]

We still need an Allison engined version.

[Fenrir]

We still need the high backed versions to have their wings 3d model corrected too....

[fruitbat]

Originally Posted by Fenrir

We still need the high backed versions to have their wings 3d model corrected too....

But at what cost? If its going to break all the existing skins available, thats quite a high price to pay. If it can be done without doing this, then +10000!

[TheGrunch]

The skins are only broken if the mappings are changed...but if the model can be altered without stretching the mapping too much then remapping is not always necessary, so your guess is as good as mine.

[-)-MAILMAN-]

I guess all of you did not understand my question.

I am not new to the game. I have every version of the game from the original IL-2 Sturmovik, FB, FB +AEP, PF, FB + AEP + PF, 1946, UI, up through the current version of HSFX. I know how the skins work and I know that the P-51B & C were the same plane built in two locations.

I am asking which production block the P-51B-NA is and which production block the P-51C-NT is in the game? This will determine which performance envelope the plane has modeled because of such things as the change from the Packard V-1650-3 to the V-1650-7 which used different superchargers.

What has confused me is that even though you choose either the P-51B-NA or the P-51C-NT when you fly the paint skin folder for each of these planes are labeled P-51B-1-NA & P-51C-10-NT.

The P-51B-1-NA and P-51C-1-NT had the Packard V-1650-3 engine and no 85 gallon fuselage fuel tank (the same as the Allison powered P-51A). The P-51B-7-NA and P-51C-3-NT introduced the 85 gallon fuselage fuel tank. The P-51B-10-NA and the P-51C-5-NT introduced the Packard V-1650-7 engine.

Just looking at IL2 compare the only real performance difference I see is level speed, the C being anywhere from 2 to 4 kph faster. I have no idea why. It would have been cool to have an early B (no fuse tank and -3) and a late C (fuse tank, -7 and dorsal strake). I don't know what the rationale to include two different models (in name only) with identical performance was.

If you get to looking at any of the game's planes TOO closely you'll find issues with virtually every single one, so I TRY not to - lol.

[-)-MAILMAN-]

I am not trying to find any issues. I just want to know what performance envelope I am dealing with. With the refining of the heat parameters I use the performance data right out of the Pilot Manuals which differ between engines according to the Pilot Manuals.

The P-51B & C made up approximately half of the operational Mustangs flying combat missions in the ETO & MTO right up to the end of hostilities. In the CBI I have yet to see a photograph of a P-51B or C with a Malcolm Hood. This would seem to explain why they have two versions of essentially the same production block with different canopies.

Now I do wish TD would put the rear view mirrors in the cockpits of P-51B & C that were mounted on the windscreen frame above the reflector gun sight.

[Luno13]

It's possible that they don't represent anything specific, but have hodge-podge of details from various production blocks.

I know for sure that all P-51s in the stock game have the rear fuel tank. The gauge is visible over your left shoulder.