Pilot kill after pilot kill. How do they do it??

[Bikerjack]

People play single player and feel themselves as absolute aces and then the rude awakening of the multilayer brings them down a notch and produces cognitive dissonance that leads to them talking about cheating... People are much better than the AI ok?

I agree with this sentiment. I know I have to improve both my flying and dogfighting/aiming skills in order to survive online.

Situation awareness is of paramount importance. It's difficult to spot other planes in the first instance and even then to identify a friend from foe is never easy. You have to get up close to check out the plane you are targetting and so your concentration is 100% on that aspect. Check your six and your eyes can easily lose track of the plane you were originally flying towards. This is surely close to reality? How many actual WW2 pilots were shot out of the sky without even knowing what hit them?

I really like to hear other pilots on teamspeak who seem to work in teams and support each other. Fundamentally, the need to fly with a wingman was almost a given in real combat. Personally, I would love to be good enough to fly in close formation with others and therefore support each other in spotting, targetting and engaging enemy aircraft. It would be good if we "regrouped" at a given point after combat and therefore, hopefully live a bit longer?

Too often there are lone "maverick" pilots (me included) flying about without any coordination. Suddenly, you are attacked by a "better" pilot or, simply, he has seen you first, and - game over.

I recall a note from one poster who said it took a year or two in IL2 to perfect flying skills and dogfighting. I can well believe it.

I don't know enough about the potential for cheating to comment. I just accept that I have a lot to learn and believe that "practice makes perfect" to be the only way forward

Communication is the key. Fly alone and you are gonna die!

[JG52Uther]

Also don't forget some people already have 100's even thousands of hours already flying one particular aircraft in CoD, so anyone with less than that is going to be at a disadvantage.

[Torian]

Originally Posted by Bikerjack

Situation awareness is of paramount importance. It's difficult to spot other planes in the first instance and even then to identify a friend from foe is never easy. You have to get up close to check out the plane you are targetting and so your concentration is 100% on that aspect. Check your six and your eyes can easily lose track of the plane you were originally flying towards. This is surely close to reality? How many actual WW2 pilots were shot out of the sky without even knowing what hit them?

Kind of the point I am trying to make. Do all that and with difficulty u will end up with 5 or 6 kills in any given server session, sometimes more. When u can get 5 or 6 kills in 10 mins then people are gonna wonder.

[Borsch]

Originally Posted by Torian

end up with 5 or 6 kills in any given server session, sometimes more. When u can get 5 or 6 kills in 10 mins then people are gonna wonder.

5 kills in 10 minutes? This vid has 5 kills in 5 minutes and is typical kind of vid for his channel. (@7:35)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8HCMXE4AdE&feature=plcp

In recent Il2:Clod Championship the author of the vids and an unquestionably fantastic pilot Mr.X was knocked out in the second round having been completely outclassed. Just to show how good a players play this game. Now that patch is out people commented that some all time greatest il2 pilots appeared on ATAG - like =FB=Arhangel...

Forget about cheating, it will only mess with your mind. Or play RoF - definitly no cheating there (official!), but few people still dominate in exactly the same manner.

[SlipBall]

Personally speaking, I never use the cannon's they are just too lethal on-line or off. Still there is a lot to be admired of the positioning and the target leading that goes on.

[raaaid]

online is easier than offline:

offline target doing difficult scissors

online target doing predictable hard turn

[recoilfx]

Originally Posted by raaaid

online is easier than offline:

offline target doing difficult scissors

online target doing predictable hard turn

Predicable scissors and hard turns are difficult?

Sorry, I think you havn't been playing enough online... For one, you can't turn evade your enemies by turning hard.

[Borsch]

Originally Posted by SlipBall

Personally speaking, I never use the cannon's they are just too lethal on-line or off. Still there is a lot to be admired of the positioning and the target leading that goes on.

Here's his vid with canonless E1 on ATAG. Practically all kills are PKs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSIj6AfOh4M&feature=plcp

[SlipBall]

Originally Posted by Borsch

Here's his vid with canonless E1 on ATAG. Practically all kills are PKs

That is better, thank you...he has much talent

[*Buzzsaw*]

Originally Posted by Borsch

Here's his vid with canonless E1 on ATAG. Practically all kills are PKs

The video shows exactly the technique he commonly uses to get most of his kills.

Not a lot fancy maneuvering, an approach at altitude and speed, a quick sweep of the area of the Dunkirk field, looking for taking off and landing aircraft at lower alts and speed, a dive and single pass kill. When he has to make a couple passes, the usual zoom into vector roll and back down for another pass. He'll make his escape when he sees someone approaching co-alt or energy.

Most of these kills are due to failure on the part of the British pilot to notice their attacker, giving an easy 5/6/7 o'clock shot.

Notice the fact the angle on for many of the firing passes is such that pilot armour should, in my estimation, be a factor if he is only using MG rounds, but not sure whether armour is actually modelled, or whether the coverage or protection is accurate for British aircraft, so much of the modelling of this nationality has been completely wrong.

Historically British pilot armour would defeat 7.92 mm MG rounds, but not cannon.