I dont care what the Whiners say...

[CaptainDoggles]

So, this thread has established that if you aren't 100% satisfied with CLOD and aren't willing to lie and give it 5/5 reviews and aren't going to pre-order the sequel, then

a) You are a whiner

b) You are killing the entire combat flight sim genre.

Freycinet said:

Sorry, just out of curiosity: if that is your opinion why are you even in this forum? If I felt like that about CoD I'd never bother to join a forum about the sim. So I'm honestly just curoius.

Probably for the same reason I still dip in occasionally. That is to say, because our interest does not prevent us from making clear-headed judgements about the game and its release, and history. And despite all that, we hold an interest. But no, we probably wont join in with the euphoria of a working patch and collective amnesia and gratefulness that has suddenly erupted after, what, a year and a half?

Also, there is an element of irony in your post, in that you have often posted in other forums which are ear-marked as expressly for criticising CLOd, or at least discussing it rationally. That forum (I am treading carefully, but you know which one I mean) is one where you stated you would not post. So, maybe best to de-polish the black pot and kettle?

Now that the mods have recently come out and explicitly stated they would promote only positive reaction (no surprise, this has been the case all along, at least now they're upfront about it...) an dby implication, crack down on critcism...people seem to think they have carte blanchs to attack the 'whiners'. And maybe, here in this forum, they do. But I'm sure a few of us will occasionally reply until it's our turn to be booted. Which will also happen, as it has been steadily happening for some time.

Basically, a semi-successful patch to get the game to a near working status (albeit with no offline game to speak of, or dynamic weather/campaign etc) after a year and a half...and the balloons and bunting are out. Grateful for small mercies, perhaps.

Perhaps if there was a half-decent game modelling the same era, this place would have emptied a long time ago. It depends on what you expect, and what you will settle for, I guess.

And note, I've managed to steer clear of your own *very* colourful history with this game. It might be wise not to play the elder statesman - some of us do have memories.

[ElAurens]

Originally Posted by CaptainDoggles

So, this thread has established that if you aren't 100% satisfied with CLOD and aren't willing to lie and give it 5/5 reviews and aren't going to pre-order the sequel, then

a) You are a whiner

b) You are killing the entire combat flight sim genre.

Doggles, i have never given this sim a 5/5 review, and still wouldn't. But now it is enjoyable enough for me to come back in and actually have fun with it, which I was not doing before.

And yes, I do think that the angry mob nature of handling issues, and the total lack of the most basic politeness when talking about issues is one of the reasons why the genre is fading away. The folks gazing bleary eyed at their monitors while typing millions of lines of code are human beings. They are not faceless gears in a monolithic money machine. They have feelings, and fears, and by and large work pretty damned hard and I totally understand why they would not bother to come here and be constantly bashed by a bunch of middle aged guys acting like 13 year old playground bullies.

If I had the money it took to back a virtual experience project like a computer game, I tell you I'd think long and hard before I chose a combat flight sim as the project of choice, even though I love the genre, and military aviation generally.

Why put up with a number of people who don't play the sim, who have repeatedly expressed that they don't like it, won't buy anything else from that team, and continue to bash a dead horse?

[bongodriver]

Originally Posted by CaptainDoggles

So, this thread has established that if you aren't 100% satisfied with CLOD and aren't willing to lie and give it 5/5 reviews and aren't going to pre-order the sequel, then

a) You are a whiner

b) You are killing the entire combat flight sim genre.

No.

a) it establishes that nobody is 100% satisfied but only the whiners will make everybody know just how much it has ruined their lives driving them to make up lies about the true meaning of threads which cast even the slightest positive light on it.

b) the genre will almost certainly die if COD dies....care to name any other WWII dedicated flight sims being produced?.....ROF and DCS won't be filling that gap for a very long time, if ever, and all we are left with is the venerable old IL2 which does not generate any revenue for 1C and won't go on forever.

[addman]

I don't get people that are STILL hanging around trash-talking the game. Especially at this point when the last patch has been released. It's just weird and a bit creepy honestly. I've stopped playing the game since quite a while now and probably won't be back until BoM is warming up for release but that doesn't mean I spend a considerable amount of time beating a horse carcass. It's kind of disturbing that people are spending so much time on an internet forum just dissing a GAME.

[JtD]

I think that if you whine, you're a whiner. No connection to critical judgment, which is a good trait.

I think the last patch brought CloD up to a 1.0 version. Like this, plus some offline contents, and it would have been a good release 18 months ago. I'm sure looking forward to the sequel, hope it's going to be another improvement, not just added contents, but of course also added contents.

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[Freycinet]

Originally Posted by Falstaff

And note, I've managed to steer clear of your own *very* colourful history with this game. It might be wise not to play the elder statesman - some of us do have memories.

As if I have something to hide?! Heh...

What I'd go quietly about would be spending countless hours in forums slagging a sim I detested (tho weirdly never having tried it). Happily I'm not in such a pathetic situation...

[MB_Avro_UK]

This sim has matured and grown to be the best. And I always expected this.

The usual critics have nothing left to say. But they whine. They have been proved wrong but can't admit it to themselves or anyone else.

Some people live to criticise, others live for life.

Best Regards,
MB_Avro.

It's all a bit drama-queeny to suggest the whole genre hinges on the continued support of a flawed franchise, never mind one game. And I dont think it is true. Or if it *is* true then perhaps the genre deserves to wither, if this is its best hope ...

No, this merely tells you the levels of personal dependency involved. Once you are weened-off the need to make this game the be-all and end-all, then you can make more rational.

Of course there will be future flight-sim games, in this genre and others. There is absolutely nothign wrong with supporting this one to the rafters, if you think that's worthwhile, but it's daft to say there wont be any others if this one fails. Not least least because this one (or this version) already *has* failed in the eyes of many. A new patch and a bit of retrospective hurrah-ing isn't going to change that.

And how can anyone know there wont be others in future? It's a plain silly assumption.