109 prop pitch (rpm) and the supercharger

[TomcatViP]

Note that the Thumb switch (early HOTAS!) was present only in the E4 and beyond.

[kohmelo]

Originally Posted by TomcatViP

Note that the Thumb switch (early HOTAS!) was present only in the E4 and beyond.

Did'nt they build the first actual joysticks too? for Ruhrstahl X-4 (prototype), Henschel Hs 293 and Fritz X.

Just wondering about that implementing autoprop to give more rpm to airplane:
I have some memory about reading that after F or G models it was not recomended/preferred to use manual pitch. --> Still I really can't remember where i read that.

[Kurfürst]

Originally Posted by TomcatViP

Note that the Thumb switch (early HOTAS!) was present only in the E4 and beyond.

Actually it was present before. The December 1939 manual of the 109E already notes it (and the auto pitch), but the E-4 did not come until around May 1940!

[JtD]

It appears that after only 140 posts this debate has finally come to a conclusion - change pitch to increase rpm - adjust pitch to maintain it for a minute - change pitch to decrease rpm - adjust pitch to maintain it for a minute - ... - can be very easily summarised as permanently changing pitch and rpm.

[Robo.]

Kurfurst I believe Tomcat was referring to the Daumenschalter am Gashebel (thumbswitch on the throttle) feature, not to the Automatik per se. But you're right of course, plus I might be wrong and Daumenschalter am Gashebel was also an ealier design.

Originally Posted by JtD

It appears that after only 140 posts this debate has finally come to a conclusion - change pitch to increase rpm - adjust pitch to maintain it for a minute - change pitch to decrease rpm - adjust pitch to maintain it for a minute - ... - can be very easily summarised as permanently changing pitch and rpm.

Indeed!

[KG26_Alpha]

Hmmmmm

Seems to remind me of something from old....

Is this the nerfing that the Bf109 got in IL2 for using prop pitch + throttle to climb faster ?

IIRC they stopped the use of switching PP on off quickly in a patch because pilots were climbing faster using this technique.

I could be wrong of course.

[Robo.]

Originally Posted by KG26_Alpha

Hmmmmm

Seems to remind me of something from old....

Is this the nerfing that the Bf109 got in IL2 for using prop pitch + throttle to climb faster ?

IIRC they stopped the use of switching PP on off quickly in a patch because pilots were climbing faster using this technique.

I could be wrong of course.

That was an much older exploit in Il-2, some 2.xx version iirc. People did macros for joysticks to swich from auto to manual very fast to climb like a rocket, they fixed it in some patch but the function od manual PP stayed in the game but there was no point of doing that anymore. That was game design flaw exploited by certain type of players, this here is legit technique used by WWII pilots and possible on actual aicraft.

[Codex]

I saw the topic heading and was hoping to learn something. Certianlly an interesting read ... all 15 pages.

I learn't a bit of history. A bit more about piloting skills on how to manipulate the engine to get max performance. I finally know what the PP exploit hooplah was all about back in the day ... and that Crummp certianlly has a following where ever he posts.

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