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07-26-2008, 12:45 AM
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Great! now we have both protagonists on this thread! I think it is important for us to get all the facts.
First of all, a triple huzzah for you guys making us dream with these great achievements! Man we would all luv to fly in one of your cockpits... that's the stuff dreams are made of!!!!   And Oleg don't forget about this !: You made a flightsim which was at one point the benchmark for computer performance! Keep your new work open for this kind of possibility. Who knows? In a few years, we might be able to have this kind of stuff on a more widespread base.....  Listen some years ago a few megabytes was the ultimate dream for computers and now...So back to our thread: Mister Schmid: all my admiration goes to your work and i would like you to expose more of the details regarding your projects! Can you give us more details about your fighterstick? How does it compare in your opinion to the Tarmac model? What about this absolutely stunning cockpit? Is there a motion platform included? What kind of videoprojector do you use? Do you think that this setting would be appropriate with Il2? And the painful question, what would be the price range for this cockpit? Trollbug: I am sorry if I made you walk on thin ice but I can feel how passionate you are about your project... Are those future projects modular, I mean do they apply to the already existing universal base? It would be a pity to shell out a lot of money just to learn that there is some new better stuff in a few months which is not compatible with your equipment. To finish: PEOPLE OF THE IL2 DREAMLAND! A triple huzzah to these fine people who are making the stuff our dreams are made of... HIP HIP... HIP HIP... HIP HIP... Cheers, Eckhart 
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07-26-2008, 07:51 AM
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You would be surprised to see where active WWII aviation parts can be found today ...
One of the Tarmac Aces Team members , Laurent , is a retired Jaguar pilot of the French Air Force . He is also one of the founders and active members of a non-profit organization which goal is to restore and make fly a MD312 "Flamant" , the first plane carried out by Marcel Dassault Industries (under this name , of course) . (this plane use Argus engines , as the FW189) This plane fly since last year ... ) (the starting of the V12 engines is very impressive ! )Non-profit-organizations which restore planes have generally very good connections each others . Another one is restoring a 1920's french plane (a Morane ) , and , as they could not find original rudder pedals for this plane , they fit FW190 pedals on their rudder (I don't know where they found the pedals , but they're original).... That's it ! @Eckhart : Of course , this module will fit on the existing Universal base !  Trollbug
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07-26-2008, 09:15 AM
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I am interested in the development of an affordable full length stick.
I admire the dedication and passion of C6 Trollbugs sticks (and this is reflected in the undoubted quality of his product) . At the same time I think Mr Shmid has a great looking stick, and I am excited that there are options availible. For me the moddified x52 will have to suffice for a long time yet, but I would happily spend the same amount for again for something that looks and feels a wee bit like something from the 40's. For heavens sake there is cheap labour in China! Why cant we get something affordable???
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07-26-2008, 12:53 PM
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Hi,
i have one of Mr. Schmidts KG 13 Flightstick (Beta-Testing Prototype)in "test, over weeks"  I must say, it's a great Stick!!! I fly IL2-1946 (since 2001) with a Hotas Cougar Joystick and i have no problems to change from Hotas Cougar to Mr. Schmidts Flightstick! The Stick is, what "Hardcore - Fly-Simers" want! I have no Understandig to one Posting here, that says Mr. Schmidts Flightstick are bad  Anybody ought to herself the Stick he want --- and can buy!!! Sticks over > 400 Euro are allways hard stuff for the most Simers! Best Regards! 76.IAP_Bibi
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07-26-2008, 02:51 PM
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Was hoping someone who had tried Schmids stick would show up! does your stick have the hall sensors or the pots in the base? did you get it from Simware?
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#6
07-26-2008, 08:29 PM
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Tell us how you really feel about that other stick Trollbug!
It's nice to see a few more groups entering into this aspect of flight controls. While I can perhaps understand why the producers might not like the competition, the consumers certainly should! Since we’re being brutally honest, the prices of these sticks are just too much for me unless they are without compromise - I guess if I didn't have any other hobbies I might go for it - but between the combination of high price, and poor mechanical approximations, it seems that if I want a realistic stick, I should just fly real airplanes. . .and use cheap joysticks to help save cash for that. . .so that’s what I do. If there really was a great stick out there that really was realistic, not just in cosmetics, but in action, I'd go for it. I for one haven't found a stick yet that is very realistic in use save for the FSSB force sensor mod for the Cougar which is only accurate when compared to a fly by wire F-16 that it is simulating. Of course that's a pretty easy thing to emulate since the stick has hardly any movement at all, and thus, no "action" to speak of! Conventional cable or torque tube actuated flight controls certainly present the greatest challenge since a real aircraft transmits ever changing loads through the stick, it needs a long range of motion, and a range of stick forces and centering feel depending on the aircraft type and flight condition. This last thing seems to be the big issue with the Tarmac Aces stick. Without centering forces, it simply isn't a simulation of the real thing. I guess I can tolerate the fact that my 109 doesn’t need a 60 pound pull on the elevator when at 550 kmh, but there really should be some attempt at increased forces as speed builds, and there must be centering forces too. Even in modern aerobatic aircraft where stick forces and centering forces are comparatively low they, are not absent! The progressive increase in stick forces as the surface travels towards its limits, and as speed changes, are critical components of feel, as are the centering forces. If I bought one, I'd have to modify it to generate some sort of centering force system, and for the same price I paid for my commercial pilot certificate, it better be finished already, otherwise I'd just build my own. I guess I'm posting this because I keep seeing posts touting the non centering mechanism of the Tarmac Aces stick as if that is a good thing. Then to see the competition's stick get ripped apart in this thread based on cosmetics alone, without anyone talking about how it actually performs. . . some of us want feel more than we want looks. But if I read it right, Tarmac Aces wouldn’t sell him a stick because his cockpit wasn’t good enough?!?! I guess looks are really important to some. Last edited by TX-EcoDragon; 07-26-2008 at 08:44 PM.
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07-26-2008, 10:02 PM
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@Tx_Ecodragon :
Our project began in 2005 by a thread launched by a simmer on the Checksix! forum . This simmer is a pilot pro , in real life. He had the same dream of yours : a joystick of high precision with a real force feedback mechanism . With a real trim . I was tired of my Cougar . Two monthes after I bought it , it's mechanism was replaced by a home-made gimbal , mounted on micro ball bearings , with traction springs . But twice the year , it's pots had to be cleaned ... And a F16 stick for piloting warbirds ....  The meeting of the other members if Tarmac Aces was decisive : a retired pilot of the French Air Force , fanatic of IL2 too , and a collector of WWII accessories . We putted together our ideas and decided to try . The first step was to realise a mechanical base , the most accurate and reliable , on which different kind of grips could be easily fitted. This base had been conceived to be upgradable by a force feedback module , fitted under it. But first , we had to valid the concept , the idea . That's why we carried out a second grip , asked by simmers , a jet grip . And also asked by simmers , a third , this week , for gliders or acrobatics (this one is not a replica ) That's why we carry out a gas throttle, and a rudder .The second step is to realize this force feedback module , and the trim wheel (this one is easy to carry out , and designed yet). Thanks to a french simmers club , I met a simmer , computer scientist . He's interested by this project , and will work on it with us . Our first step is not finished yet , but we're already working on the second one . The simmer which launched this thought , on the Checksix! forum , was our first customer . Other pilots in real life bought it too . They are all satisfied by their purchase . And wait the second step ... Last edited by C6_Trollbug; 07-26-2008 at 10:05 PM.
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