What disappoints me is the lack of communication on the 'Official' forum :(

[Feuerfalke]

Originally Posted by WTE_Galway

If you are angry with 1C you might find it enlightening to look into the history of ubisoft with Il2 and the problems they have caused for this game over the past 6 or 7 years.

Awe, come on, Galway. It's sooooo much easier to flame a single person instead of such an abstract thing like as a company! You don't even need to think about what is going on, when you can flame a single forum member, who keeps quoting those statements. Just look at the responses to my post. Nobody even cares what was stated there, just everybody blows skyhigh, because I posted that link. LOL. It changes nothing. They just want to bash somebody because they act like little children, who want candy NOW and it takes a lot more than that to see that there is more to it, than bad ole Oleg torturing his customers, who really, really, really deserve that information, because they just want it soooo much.

What surprises me, though, is the fact that MysticPuma himself is falling back in age to a point where he can't make up his own mind any longer. A man who saw a lot more of BoB than most of us, who talked to Oleg PERSONALLY and quoted him, that there would be news, as soon as they COULD post news and UBISOFT finally decided to officially announce the title. That's what really surprises me about it.

The other statements about the problems with releasing infos (from Oleg, too) are in the OMR-Sticky, btw. IIRC it's just around the point where Oleg quoted me and agreed with me, that the forums really DO have much in common with him driving in his car, his children on the back seat...

And JFYI 1C forums is only the official forum for 1C, not for MG. As you can see in the forum description, this forum is even just for IL2, not for BoB. And some other interesting news about the comparison of BoP and BoB that was stated wrongly again and again: BoP is not published by UBISOFT, but by 1C and Dynamic Systems. Another engine, another contract, another story completely.

@ Feathered_IV
False promises, as always.

[GF_Mastiff]

Originally Posted by Feuerfalke

. IIRC it's just around the point where Oleg quoted me and agreed with me, that the forums really DO have much in common with him driving in his car, his children on the back seat...


@ Feathered_IV
False promises, as always.

lol

[Mysticpuma]

"What surprises me, though, is the fact that MysticPuma himself is falling back in age to a point where he can't make up his own mind any longer"

I can make up my mind, it's just easier if you do it for me! Lol!

BTW, if I do get another interview, I will post it straight away.....so everyone can at least know something of what could be coming....one day

[Feuerfalke]

Originally Posted by Mysticpuma

"What surprises me, though, is the fact that MysticPuma himself is falling back in age to a point where he can't make up his own mind any longer"

I can make up my mind, it's just easier if you do it for me! Lol!

BTW, if I do get another interview, I will post it straight away.....so everyone can at least know something of what could be coming....one day

Heh, just that there won't be another chance for an interview until UBISOFT announces the title. Even in that interview back then, if I may remind you, you stated that MG showed their game off in a pretty hard to find area in the back. That was even before that struggle about the contracts and the ban of silence from UBISOFT.

Well Feuerfalke i have read all of your patronizing bollocks, and i still see no statement from anybody (other than yourself) that UBI will not allow any updates without their approval. Its time you stopped making out that your somebody important.

[Feuerfalke]

I'll stop as soon as you do. Infact I only restarted because you did.

And BTW, I didn't say that UBISOFT doesn't allow updates, I posted that UBISOFT has all the rights and they say when things will be announced or released. Slight difference, but to the same effect, honestly.

Originally Posted by Feuerfalke

I'll stop as soon as you do. Infact I only restarted because you did. .

I was just making out i was important, because i thought you really were important.

[Skarphol]

Guys, guys, you are really amazing me!

Firstly that you, Feuerfalke, really see a point in taking the time to answer the same questions over and over again. I have a tendency to go nuts when my children ask the same question wich I have allready answered before several times. And you must have noticed that most questions are not directed to you, and that a lot of people are not very satisfied by your answers anyway.

Secondly, that all of you other guys get so upset by Feuerfalkes answers. We all know pretty much what his opinion is in these matters anyway, so why just not ignore his answers if they are so offensive?

I think we all are quite disappointed whith this forum, most of us remember so well the happy times around 2002 when we had frequent updates and news, but we are in no position to demand anything!

You guys need to calm down a bit. It's summer in the northern hemisphere! Go out and have som fun! Look at the chicks! They are wearing skirts!!

Skarphol

[Feuerfalke]

Well, Skarphol, that's what I'm saying. This is not because people want updates. We all know that there will be updates. The thing is just that some people just can't take waiting for it and use these media to vent. It's nothing more than that.

I also agree that we had a different time when the original IL2 was released. Things were quite different for a lot of reasons. Oleg and UBI had little to lose, as they didn't estimate the impact of this sim, nobody started preemptive complains about content and problems with the game and the only people that were active on the forums were fans, who hoped for a great simulation.

Over time more and more people got p*ssed. Their favorite plane got porked, Cal50s don't kill Tigers, FW190s are crippled because the refraction of the glass is not modeled, the sounds sux so bad you can barely take it, it has not 6DOF, etc. It's first really bad climax was reached with PacificFighters, when people started to threaten Oleg personally with lawyers and stuff and while MG natural reaction to that was to keep silence more and more, that just got more people upset.
Now we are in a situation that UBISOFT, MG and 1C remain silent about this project, for various reasons stated a dozen times before and we are reaching a new sad climax.

My mission is not to lecture people, like most people claim. But this ravage against MG is the worst thing this community could do and the most effective way to cease support from either side, may it be UBISOFT, 1C, MG or Oleg himself. Just look at the responses to the latest updates? They're even flaming MG because the only show models.


No, Sir, this has gone far beyond the interest in this sim or in news about BoB. This is a flamewar against a publisher and a developer. It's a bad thing to do and it's a bad way things are turning, on the short term and on the long term for this whole upcoming brand.
You guys keep talking about bad advertisement for this simulation from MG and UBISOFT, but it is THIS COMMUNITY who is making the only bad advertisement there is, the worst propaganda for this sim ever and you're doing exactly the opposite of what you'd like to see or what you claim to do. In the meanwhile, I was even asked by gamemagazines what is going on in this community and why they are constantly flaming the developers. Guys, don't you realize your complains are not in private, but clearly visible for everybody inside and out?
Go ahead and claim to have the right to do so, if you really need to. You will all have to take the consequences sooner or later. If you don't see that, I'm just sorry for you and those who really love to see a long fortunate life of this sim.

[Bobb4]

Originally Posted by Feuerfalke

And BTW, I didn't say that UBISOFT doesn't allow updates, I posted that UBISOFT has all the rights and they say when things will be announced or released. Slight difference, but to the same effect, honestly.

E3 has come and gone, Ubisoft made no announcement about SOW BoB.
From the tiny amounts of useful information in this carbled thread I can deduce one thing.
There will be no SOW in 2008.
And frankly thats good enough for me.
Who ends up publishing it in Europe or the USA does not concern me. I live in Africa and we are used to waiting.

Point to think about:

If I had just brough out a piece of a doggy doo-doo console game called "Birds of Prey" I sure would not be announcing anything about a state-of-the-art PC flight sim that will have the console fanboys complaining they had been short-changed. (not meant as an insult to developers, but lets face it, flying a plane on a console, lets get real? They will never experience anything...)

I would just lay low for a while and once copies of my console game were flying off the selve and I had made my dough then and only then would I remind the world that the alpha and omega of flight sims was just around the corner.
Maybe even a console version as well