FM discussion

[PotNoodles]

Originally Posted by adonys

Hello Black6!

I would like to have an update on the following topics, please:
- clouds: shadows and self-shadows, reflection on water, source light influences, etc.. are you working on them, and when they will be added (back)?
- Radio Comms.. any progress in this area? is some programmer assigned to and working on it, or it was postponed?
- AI.. any progress in this area? is some programmer assigned to and working on it, or it was postponed?

thank you!

I will add to the above and ask if the FM are still been worked? If you visit these forums regular you will see that the above topic is a massive discussion, as is the 109 planes greatly out doing the spitfires in performance. Everyone wants to know if these features will be switched back on and if there is going to be some sort of balance between the 109 and spitfires.

[zapatista]

Originally Posted by PotNoodles

if there is going to be some sort of balance between the 109 and spitfires.

with "balance", what we need is the historical "balance" , where each plane has it own strength and weakness as was the case historically, so we can appropriately use the right tactics

right now in CoD the 109 is over performing in many aspects, and the spitfires are significantly under performing in many others, the end result is a very uneven match-up where the 109's have advantages that are not historically correct and for red flyers online the imbalance is so great it can prevent normal gameplay.

this has to be sorted out and fixed before BoM comes out

[Osprey]

Indeed, we cannot mention FM's as the primary problem enough. Please try them yourselves before releasing another patch though, the last 2 have been a waste of time.

[zapatista]

Originally Posted by OSSI

You are joking or? It is the converse! Bf109 is under and Spits are much over!!! maybe you better learn fly or take a arcade flightsim. Sorry for say that!

Forgot to say when there give you the SPIT-UFO FM back we are shooting you burning anyway. Right now the Spit have the IL-2 Airplanes DM model and? We get you too

you might be on the wrong planet, or just havnt switched CFM on and compared online performance

if the current FM comparison btw the 109 and hurricane/spitfire would have been present in the real BoB, we'd all be speaking german now

[OSSI]

Originally Posted by zapatista

you might be on the wrong planet, or just havnt switched CFM on and compared online performance

if the current FM comparison btw the 109 and hurricane/spitfire would have been present in the real BoB, we'd all be speaking german now

I fly always online in ATAG Server! In real my friendy the 109 can turn with the Spit and with flaps much better for the first circle. Spit fly like a UFO now. If you can handle that shoot down easy 109 then you need learn it.

[bw_wolverine]

Originally Posted by OSSI

I fly always online in ATAG Server! In real my friendy the 109 can turn with the Spit and with flaps much better for the first circle. Spit fly like a UFO now. If you can handle that shoot down easy 109 then you need learn it.

That's great news! Can you upload some tracks so those of us having problems can learn how?

[ATAG_Snapper]

Originally Posted by OSSI
I fly always online in ATAG Server! In real my friendy the 109 can turn with the Spit and with flaps much better for the first circle. Spit fly like a UFO now. If you can handle that shoot down easy 109 then you need learn it.

Originally Posted by bw_wolverine

That's great news! Can you upload some tracks so those of us having problems can learn how?

+1

This is great news!

[PotNoodles]

Originally Posted by OSSI

I fly always online in ATAG Server! In real my friendy the 109 can turn with the Spit and with flaps much better for the first circle. Spit fly like a UFO now. If you can handle that shoot down easy 109 then you need learn it.

Yes take a video of you shooting down all them 109 pilots with the spitfire and post use a track here and we will all learn from it. Hell I might even believe you if you do. Anyways, this thread isn't to discuss what you can do, but do post me a video in private and I'll make a post for all to see.

[Slipstream2012]

Originally Posted by zapatista

you might be on the wrong planet, or just havnt switched CFM on and compared online performance

if the current FM comparison btw the 109 and hurricane/spitfire would have been present in the real BoB, we'd all be speaking german now

Well said that man!,

Its always surprised me that I can choose a BF109 & start it up with out a cough or splutter. Ok I think that must be the beauty of fuel injection!
I crank the throttle to full without warming it up, it charges down the runway like a wild horse, ease back on the stick and it starts into a climb at what feels like 2500+ fpm climb straight to 3k meters, fight the nose forward and re-trim slightly nose heavy, by now its all configured, flying like a dream pulling 400 kph.

I choose a Spitfire at Hawkinge, fire it up, it coughs, splutters, rattles for awhile, and then it gradually starts sounding smoother but woe betide me if i even breath on that throttle lever before its reached temperature.
Even when its warmed up, I have to slam throttle forward almost full before taxying because mid range its all temperamental. After takeoff it climbs normally, and cruises nicely. But if you don't watch those temperatures or RPM, BAM!!! the engine blows a gasket! quite literally.

Now if that represents a UFO, the aliens would never have left their planet.
And if this represents the performance of the infamous "nimble little fighter" that was a joy to fly, and changed the outcome of the BoB, fighting wave after wave of enemy aircraft with only "the few", something isn't quite right here. Not to mention in the event of a scramble, the Germans would have been half way home by the time they got into the air.

I'm no expert, but to say the Spitfire is out performing the BF109 at present is a no brainer.

[zapatista]

Originally Posted by OSSI

In real my friendy the 109 can turn with the Spit and with flaps much better

now i know you're either a troll on crack or are the spawn of kurfurst who hasnt ventured out into the real world yet to find unbiased and accurate historical information.

a 109 in the Bob era could only match the spitfire turning in the initial 1/4 or 1/3 of the circle, eg a snap turn to briefly get a shot in. in a sustained 360 circle the spitfire would turn considerably better (as is openly acknowledged by pilots from both sides in that era, and by direct performance comparisons of captured aircraft, all of which is openly available ). this difference in turn rate was so significant that in a sustained 360 turn starting out with the 109 behind the spitfire, after a few 360 turns the spitfire would be behind the 109. obviously we are also only talking about 2 evenly matched experienced pilots that knew their own aircraft and would be good enough to know its limits. the type of nonsense you are sprouting of the magic turning 109 catching up on the spitfire in a 360 circle turn is only found in places like kurfursts revisionist website which is filled with "selective misquoting of partial truths" and his own utter fabrications

ahh and when you make that track of you shooting down those ten 109's that you engaged with your magic spitfire ( engaging them on equal terms in a sustained dogfight involving multiple maneuvres), and err you know, shooting an unsuspecting enemy in the back while he isnt looking doesnt count here, just make sure they are at least experience or good pilots, not newbies.

and there are multiple threads specifically discussing what technical aspects of the current spitfires are incorrect, join those to try and peddle your nonsense and we'll take it step by step to enlighten you where the specific "simulation" problems are currently

request to black6: please have your own testers compare the sustained turn rates and snap turn rates for the main opposing fighters (spitfire, 109, hurricane), as well as their level speeds at low-medium-high altitudes, to ensure the comparative differences are correct. historical references previously supplied in bug report threads