Fultures!

[ATAG_Bliss]

Originally Posted by AbortedMan

Way to paraphrase and take that sentence out of context...try using the entire piece of what someone says when you quote next time. It'll keep the discussion on track.

If 1C threatened with banning/shutting down/locking the game for people that tried to raise an issue, but in the negative...aka, a "complaint" do you think that'd be a valid way to support/address/improve things for people?

Someone has an opinion so they vocalized it on a forum, where it belongs. The OP had a legitimate concern, and as broken as his English may be, he was constructive and civil...now 9 pages later you're bickering at me about the definition of a "complaint," server admins are talking of shutting down servers and banning the people stating their opinions...it's ridiculous.

I should just start acting like the real troll that I'm being treated like, CAPSLOCK and trollface pics and all.

All you've done is act like a troll with every single one of your posts. I've already answered your questions 10x now. And if you had any sort of clue about the FMB or what's possible in the current online situation you would have left it alone or believed when I said we HAVE to do things a certain way because of certain issues.

And you're trying to compare 1c to us? 1c is a company that makes money. People are paying for their products. ATAG on the other hand has a small amount of people that aren't being paid and doing work on their own free time and spend our own money to try to give to the community. You are pathetic. And you will not be frequenting our server anymore.

[pstyle]

Originally Posted by AbortedMan

Way to paraphrase and take that sentence out of context......now 9 pages later you're bickering at me about the definition of a "complaint," .

So, how does that make you feel?

[AbortedMan]

Haha oh this is rich.

I've never once addressed you, Bliss, in any of my posts until you chimed in and I was replying. Look back at anything I've said before replying to you and you'll see I was merely discussing thd cause and effects of player's actions in an online mission (not even referring to ATAG's missions, mind you), but you've seemed to take it as a personal jab, for what reason I don't know.

If you want to ban me from your server for talking about game mechanics, that's your perogative, but get your ban hammer ready, because if it isn't me it's going to be someone else.

Funny how you'd ban myself for posting on a forum, non-slanderous opinions btw, but you won't ban known cheaters.

[AbortedMan]

Originally Posted by pstyle

I'm a troll

Not too worried about it.

[Fjordmonkey]

Originally Posted by AbortedMan

The online community attempts to address an issue that they feel needs attention and you call it complaints and threaten with shutting down/banning/locking...nice.

Ahem. You don't speak for anyone but yourself, or a small subset of the CLoD-community, at the very best. Just sayin'

Originally Posted by AbortedMan

This thread is a lot better than most on this forum. It's fairly constructive criticism and the posts are mostly thought-out and voiced concerns of player's opinions, why the instant "troll" label?

It WAS constructive, until it turned into a slugfest against everything and anyone ATAG.

Now, I'm not affiliated with them in any way, shape or form, but my pervious arguement still stands: If you don't like how they run THEIR server that THEY pay for, don't play on it. Simple as that.

You want a No Vulching-rule? Set up and pay for your own server.
You want a "fair" fight? Set up and pay for your own server.
You want to set which rules apply to where, when and who? Set up and pay for your own server.

Because right now all you're doing is step into another man's livingroom and demanding he change the color of the paint on the wall since it doesn't appeal to you.

[ATAG_Septic]

Originally Posted by AbortedMan

Haha oh this is rich.

I've never once addressed you, Bliss, in any of my posts until you chimed in and I was replying. Look back at anything I've said before replying to you and you'll see I was merely discussing thd cause and effects of player's actions in an online mission (not even referring to ATAG's missions, mind you), but you've seemed to take it as a personal jab, for what reason I don't know.

If you want to ban me from your server for talking about game mechanics, that's your perogative, but get your ban hammer ready, because if it isn't me it's going to be someone else.

Funny how you'd ban myself for posting on a forum, non-slanderous opinions btw, but you won't ban known cheaters.

It's less funny however how you chose to ignore all my responses and attempts to explain the situation to you.

I suspect it's your manner old chum, I've tried quite politely to explain this. For another example; Who precisely is cheating? Where, when how?

In all honesty I don't care any longer. Your prediction that there will be many others like you is, like all your assertions, a meaningless generalization. Thankfully the only evidence we have to judge the likely accuracy of your prediction that "...it will be someone else" shows precisely the opposite. There's only been one other I believe in the last year and a half. The vast majority of those who inhabit the server are fair-playing, fair-minded gamers seeking to pursue their harmless hobby for fun. Hopefully it will be as long again before we see your like again.

Cheerio,

Septic.

[zapatista]

Originally Posted by klem

Feet back on the ground and a lesson from history. Please forgive me if I don't get the books off the shelf and trawl through for the exact airfield and Geshwader but Al Deere in his book "Nine Lives" and Pierre Closterman (who was on the same raid in a different Squadron) in his book "The Big Show" tell of the time they took off across the channel to a LW airfield to where FW190s had just relocated.

The plan was for Deere's wing to fly at treetop level to the LW field and hit them on the ground. The French Squadron was to loiter south at low altitude to intercept any interference from other LW units.

As Deere's Wing approached the field they saw from a distance the entire Geschwader lined up for takeoff. By the time they go there the alarm had been raised and the FWs were up and running in all directions. They shot up what they could at the field but if they had arrived two minutes earlier.......

Yes there was lots of flak but most of them got away with it due to surprise.

There are other similar stories.........

except of course that on the current ATAG server (which is only important in this discussion because it is the only major CoD server that has been running for a number of months so that is where new players are likely to go to first) there is no decent AA at these forward allied airfields, and no sirens warning of camping vultures when you spawn there, and additional it is the permanent same fake-real air quake scenario every day at those airfields, that's what makes it boring and fake

in your above historical example, just pretend there was no AA present, and the same thing happened day in day out during the whole 4 year war, do you really think that the germans at that airfield would be looking at each other in amazement "ahh ze brittish they are so smart, every day now they come and bomb us and we are alwayz completely zurprised by them, ze AA guys are having a nap unt ze air tower guys have gone to ze pub unt forgot to set ze alarms, these clever british always seem to know this ahead of time and just keep shooting up our planes on ze ground"

realistic ? err nope !

[Volksieg]

Dunno if this has been said already as I couldn't be bothered to go through all the guff on this thread. (I save that for when it is 2am and I need a good giggle. )

Cheating is finding a way, through nefarious means, to have a bullet proof plane or, perhaps, infinite ammo on a realistic settings server.

Vulching is WAR.

This is a simulation of war.

It is very frustrating being Vulched but, as it is a simulation of a war, I'm fairly sure dying or losing a war and having your country invaded is a bit of an inconvenience also.

[senseispcc]

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Hello,
First I am sorry I begun all this polemic about this tactics of “vultures”.
Personally I am against, not because it is not realistic, because it is not really in the beginning of the war but more at the end when the numbers where staked against one side that could not do anything against the superiority of the other side. It is not the same to have a hit and run raid against a airfield and a “vulture” airplane(s) waiting for a victim to take of or land. The Allies with their offensive tactics did do it sometime until the cost was to expensive due to the “flack” or the defensive patrols above such airfields (expl.ME262/FW190d9).
But this is a game and I see no fun for either the person that sho (not down because the plane taking of is not airborne) at the person that is trying to take off and it is certainly no fun for the person how is shoot at how did warm up his engine, made his circuit around the airfield to align at the end of the runway to be shoot at the precise moment where his rudder wheel is lifting his plane does crash. Otherwise we shall end up with servers with 20 Germans against 1 new RAF pilot how can never take off? Or the other way around! If this is your definition of fun so be it! Have fun your way. I am trying to find the right server, balanced where someone with glasses can see an adversary from time to time at equal terms.
Have a nice time with this great game. Never forget this is a game.

[ATAG_Snapper]

Originally Posted by senseispcc

.
Hello,
First I am sorry I begun all this polemic about this tactics of “vultures”.
Personally I am against, not because it is not realistic, because it is not really in the beginning of the war but more at the end when the numbers where staked against one side that could not do anything against the superiority of the other side. It is not the same to have a hit and run raid against a airfield and a “vulture” airplane(s) waiting for a victim to take of or land. The Allies with their offensive tactics did do it sometime until the cost was to expensive due to the “flack” or the defensive patrols above such airfields (expl.ME262/FW190d9).
But this is a game and I see no fun for either the person that sho (not down because the plane taking of is not airborne) at the person that is trying to take off and it is certainly no fun for the person how is shoot at how did warm up his engine, made his circuit around the airfield to align at the end of the runway to be shoot at the precise moment where his rudder wheel is lifting his plane does crash. Otherwise we shall end up with servers with 20 Germans against 1 new RAF pilot how can never take off? Or the other way around! If this is your definition of fun so be it! Have fun your way. I am trying to find the right server, balanced where someone with glasses can see an adversary from time to time at equal terms.
Have a nice time with this great game. Never forget this is a game.

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